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Post by Zealote on Sept 4, 2008 14:11:29 GMT -5
Did i ever say that i don't like or disagree with 60 sec KO script? No. I just suggesting to make another step forward in that script. Also i was suggesting to move forward in Temple scripts for cleric. I like everything on this server (payed on Raurin(russian one), Anphillia and Haven for a long time before BG TSCC) but some things seems to me not done to their logical end because we are in a Beta. PvP system and Temple benefits. Stone Age, when you started to play passed away, there are a lot things on other servers, that can be aded to this one. Appearance Changer for example. Craft system and PvP system. I am not afraid of any kind of PvP, i will not start it with my Tyr's cleric PC, but there can be another PC of mine, halfdrow lady rogue-assassin maybe. Maybe for drow raids or maybe for spying for Duke or maybe for both aims. That is because i don't know what to do as a cleric further. No PvP death, there is no need for my resurrection spells, no party adventures, because exp is too small in them. No reason to stay in a Temple, because there is no life in the city and in Palace District no one even goes and a lot of new comers didn't even know about that area. Sorry if i seem to be not polite, writing in english is really not my strong part. And i really doubt having "narrow little world view" that because i am old and know where things go and you too young to see it. And i really DO KNOW how to make this server better and have suggestions - you have none. You are discussing my posts and not my suggestions. If you are okey with 60 KO script and don't want anything else, fine. I am not the one who is pising in his pants thinking of how many exp he can lose in PvP and who prefer to roleplay his death, but staying unharmed. PvP servers are boring, but some adrenaline from PvP in a light form should be. And it is impossible to get that adrenaline without risk of losing exp or items or gold if you are killed. Do you like PvP or don't, UD races in a raid will not ask you. You will be killed without any agreements and no one will look at your awesome roleplay, UD band will run further for new victims. And the same thing will happen when a group of surface players will hunt down that raid band to the Sshamath gates. Believe me, you will all ask yourself for some benefits from PvP, otherwise it will be meaningless, and you would prefer to chop treants then to roleplay a hunt for drow. Surely you will be happy to do it first twenty times without exp and benefits, but when it will be usual event - everyone would better slash monsters rather then simply waste time persuting intruders for nothing. Again i must disagree with you man. 1 - Your spells are necessary when people die to monsters. I have seen Niles Nilton, jasonpauldegraaf's character raise more then one dead character during an event or adventure. 2 - Most of our current PvP happens in 1v1 mode, so your spell to ressurrect wont be necessary, cause you will be dead. 3 - There is always reason for chasing down intruders. Its never a waste of time. Cause the point is to RP. If you dont like to RP, just dont. I love it. I love the possibilities that the subdual mode gives me. Like you can be dead or knoked out. People can RP with your body, like dragging you and stuff like that (If you're a good RPer, and think a little). If you work better under the leash, and need to be punished for losing a battle, i dont. I can RP almost anything without losing nothing. I can use my brain and have fun. If you like, i can beat you IG, and then when you get up, i can leave you near death so you can die to mobs if makes the situation more real to u...who knows? 4 - The subdual mode is here for a reason. This is a RP lite server. RP your death like everybody else. You dont need to get teleported, its senseless. Or lose xp, wich is even more senseless for RP. I have died two time to Ne'Llennya, and i like that. Shwan and i had fun with that. And we're still friends, cause we both had fun, and no one lost anything. This is how it is supposed to be. 5 - The purpose of this game, is to have fun, not get punished. The shame of defeat is punishment enough. Why cant you RP that you died? Its too hard for you to type: ''So, you've killed me or left me near death on the ground?''. Talk to people, and you will have more fun then just die and get teleported to a temple. Perhaps you can even have as much fun as i have, since i've satrted here. You should try it. Might do you good. Exercise that gray thing inside your skull, instead of leaving all to the scripts. By the way, last night, DM Wizard started an event, and a character was buried by boulders after an earthquake. He just layed down, and the DM spawned some rocks on top of him. Ujio and the other guys went look for somthing to help them lift the rocks, and free the man. All RP. We just used our brains, rolling strengh checks, search checks, and we used alog and some rocks to lift the boulder. Would you like to have a scrit for that as well? I mean you might find foolish to RP that you're holding a rock or a log, when in fact you're not....or even worse, how foolish it was to RP that he was trapped, when he wasnt? And even worse, we actually lifted the rock, but the rock never moved! So weird..... Think about it. -Thanks Raf
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Post by BOGUS on Sept 14, 2008 10:34:08 GMT -5
SITUATION!! I am truing to join Flaming Fists...well, Bjorl is trying and i am just helping him. While walking around Coast i encountered cleric of evil god, who beat really hard two poor adventures for not giving prayers to his god. Porr adventures left wounded and beaten. I had a really long talk to that cleric of evil god, and at the end he frightened me, that he will kill me if i want pray to his god. I started buffing, he started buffing, then he attack me because his buffs were shorter. Actually i think he will give me time to buff myself to the end and we will have sparring in names of our gods, when both of us will be ready. But no. He attacked as soon as he can, trying to kill me quicker. Not honest, brave and honorable jest. Well - i have only one thing to do - kill him, as our fight was really dangerous and he was winning at first. A last evil cleric was killed.....ups....not. The player stands up after knock out and promising to kill me next time - runs away, he doesn't RP that he is injured, he doesn't RP laying on a ground - he doesn't even RP our fight, he jump on his feet and very quickly left the area, promising to kill me next time. I wanted to take his corpse to Flaming Fists, resurrect in the jail and question hard - but can not do it because the Player run away cowardly. Now i have to report the situation to Flaming Fists, and i should write that i let that evil cleric, murderer of poor adventures, on loose. Surely Flaming Fists will ask me - am i an idiot to do that? And what i suppose to answer? The player refused to come back and follow me to the City after i PMed him that he is dead, instead of it we had an hour PM conversation, where he said that i had a plenty of time to say that he is dead, before he vanished in transition. Aye, sure, 60 seconds while he was on a ground and three second when he stands up and run away as he was not even lightly injured from a fight. I was waiting for a PM from his with the question if he is dead and i was waiting further RP from him and didnt expect that he will run so fast, after being beaten do death. My point is: I am sure that there must be script dividing PvP knock out and PvP death. Otherwise let it be decided from the winner in battle. And as i am a winner - i will report to Flaming Fists that i brought a dead body of evil cleric for further resurrection and questioning. And surely i will kill on sight that evil cleric next time i see he - without any RP and will bring his body to Fists second time, third, etc even if this player is not agreed that he is dead and will run around with his PC. theswordcoast.proboards89.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=theelfsongtavern&thread=800
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Post by whenwizardswar on Sept 14, 2008 11:03:39 GMT -5
SITUATION!! I am truing to join Flaming Fists...well, Bjorl is trying and i am just helping him. While walking around Coast i encountered cleric of evil god, who beat really hard two poor adventures for not giving prayers to his god. Porr adventures left wounded and beaten. I had a really long talk to that cleric of evil god, and at the end he frightened me, that he will kill me if i want pray to his god. I started buffing, he started buffing, then he attack me because his buffs were shorter. Actually i think he will give me time to buff myself to the end and we will have sparring in names of our gods, when both of us will be ready. But no. He attacked as soon as he can, trying to kill me quicker. Not honest, brave and honorable jest. Well - i have only one thing to do - kill him, as our fight was really dangerous and he was winning at first. A last evil cleric was killed.....ups....not. The player stands up after knock out and promising to kill me next time - runs away, he doesn't RP that he is injured, he doesn't RP laying on a ground - he doesn't even RP our fight, he jump on his feet and very quickly left the area, promising to kill me next time. I wanted to take his corpse to Flaming Fists, resurrect in the jail and question hard - but can not do it because the Player run away cowardly. Now i have to report the situation to Flaming Fists, and i should write that i let that evil cleric, murderer of poor adventures, on loose. Surely Flaming Fists will ask me - am i an idiot to do that? And what i suppose to answer? The player refused to come back and follow me to the City after i PMed him that he is dead, instead of it we had an hour PM conversation, where he said that i had a plenty of time to say that he is dead, before he vanished in transition. Aye, sure, 60 seconds while he was on a ground and three second when he stands up and run away as he was not even lightly injured from a fight. I was waiting for a PM from his with the question if he is dead and i was waiting further RP from him and didnt expect that he will run so fast, after being beaten do death. My point is: I am sure that there must be script dividing PvP knock out and PvP death. Otherwise let it be decided from the winner in battle. And as i am a winner - i will report to Flaming Fists that i brought a dead body of evil cleric for further resurrection and questioning. And surely i will kill on sight that evil cleric next time i see he - without any RP and will bring his body to Fists second time, third, etc even if this player is not agreed that he is dead and will run around with his PC. theswordcoast.proboards89.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=theelfsongtavern&thread=800First of all I am very VERY angry with you. I told not to post names about this specific instance, as the staff has asked EVERYONE Not to. If your going to post sitatuions like this, make it hypotehtical instead of pointing fingers. I asked you to make it hypothetical and not point fingures to the disagreement we had, AND my refusal to be FORCE LED into how ever you wanted the situation to END. I asked you to ommit names, but you went ahead and posted specifics ANYWAY. You didnt write the name of char specifcally but you drew attention to another thread that makes obvious reference to me. You should have been considerate enough to NOT post a link to a thread that draws light to another situation. I took screen shots of everything you said to me, and each screen shot points out how you insisted on trying to force me to do what YOU wanted, it points out how you didnt even have consideration to ask how i thought the situation should have ended. I will be discussing this with the other staff members, i dont like makeing things public, but the staff has asked you COUNTLESS times not to do certan things and you go ahead and do them EVERY TIME. I dont have time to send the PMs not but when i get back from work i will be sending them off to you guys (I'm talking to the staff). I know I have asked you, and others have asked you to use some common courtesy when posting and be considerate of others and to stop trying to force situations to end like YOU want them to... I...I need to get ot work, and i need to calm down before i go in...
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Post by BOGUS on Sept 14, 2008 11:30:26 GMT -5
This player came to me and told me you dindt even ask if he was ok being captured, if no consent was agreed to him being captured you cannot force him to accept rp to end the way you want it. Please be mindful of situations like this in the future. You CANNOT force someone to end a conflict like want it to. Do i really have to ask a player, knocking out newbies by his high level PC if he is OK by being captured after i kick his butt with my low then him level PC? Don't i have a right to bring that PC to Fists? Honestly - i understood that it is a DMs playable PC only after i killed him. About screenshots - i have all of them - from the moment when your PC murders two newbies, well not murders, knockes out. I didn't tell any names, as you asked me. There can be another cleric of Talos - but you decided to tell everyone that it is your PC. And after you told everyone that it was you - i got a question. Don't you think that a behavior of your PC, who jumps on his feet after a tough fight and runs away and then refusing to get back and follow me where i am taking your corpse - is a bad RP and awful example to other players? I don't doubt you as a DM here, i am pointing attention on a PvP problem, which allows to RP PvP situations differently from winner and loser. And if you are not agreed to take RP rules as capturing your corpse by another player who wins in a fight, then why on nine hells you play an evil cleric of Talos terrorizing good people, knocking out newbies and cursing all Sword Coast for not worshiping your evil-chaotic god? Play a lady halfling crafter instead. theswordcoast.proboards89.com/index.cgi?board=gallery&action=display&thread=623&page=1#6918
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Post by whenwizardswar on Sept 14, 2008 21:05:32 GMT -5
I'm done trying to explain things to you, first of all your not a low level or a newb.
Second of all i actually asked permission to beat down the two you saw.
Malik attacked, as he saw your defensive casting as a sign of hostily, but note I set you to hostile before i even did anything.
My running away was a preventitve measure, i knew i took a risk in Rping with you, i knew you were going to try and force me into a conclusion to the RP that i wasnt ok with, and i knew you were going to put up a fight if i explained to you how i felt about things, the ways i felt clearly you did not want to accept.
Reguardless, i took a chance in hopeing to get some good RP and some civil OOC responses from you and I was wrong, I wont make that mistake again.
REguardless, the discussion is over, I'm going to send my screen shots to the other staff members and see how they suggest i should handle the situation, if indeed they think I should handle it at all.
More then likely I'm going to be the grown up one and just drop the whole thing, let by gones be bygones and all that.
I had alot of time to mule over it at work and its not worth getting into an argument over someone who refuses to accept that things dont work the way he thinks they should.
End of discussion, if you wish to continue it, talk to the other DM's I wash my hands of this headache.
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Post by Iceshard on Sept 14, 2008 23:45:10 GMT -5
BOGUS, I have been told you were given an ultamatum, and by ignoring what the DM's have said to you and trying to force another player (regardless of being staff) into a situation I can only assume violates this agreement.
You may not have posted names within this post, but the link to the dead player does highlight the name (which happens to be a signature for Wiz) so in essence you did call out a name.
You may have beaten him, that is fine, but certain things like this need to be discussed either before or after the death of a character, you dont just tell them " I beat you, your coming with me to the X and youll wait there till Y", it doesnt happen like that.. if you really want to you can talk to the player you beat, see if they want to go that route.. IF they agree let a DM know and they can make things go faster...
Due to your neglegence towards staff rulings, posting names, trying to force someone into an RP situation then saying you were wronged because they didnt play along not only violates the guidelines we told you, but its also childish. Dont be surprised if Josh comes down on you for this one, and most of the DM's have blacklisted you as well for the time being. Perhaps if you find a way to change how you are acting you may actually be involved/payed attention later on down the road..
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Post by kenko87 on Sept 15, 2008 11:42:13 GMT -5
Anytime anywhere imo, if theres a valid reason for it. (First post, yay....)
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Post by sen on Sept 15, 2008 12:23:16 GMT -5
I like my PvP like my beer - pflentiful and bitter ;D Well, no, actually, I enjoy the risk of being attacked (and the possibility to collect some bandit scalps ;D ) in the wilderness. After all, bandits and murderers make great oppurtunities for members of the Flaming Fist, Paladins and not but not least your everyday adventurer and greedy mercenary. Wouldn´t be so fun if they´d ask every traveller if they might attack them. There are flaws and in single cases it might be really frustrating for the ones getting killed. But they will get over it. It´s all for the kicks baby
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Post by Zealote on Sept 15, 2008 18:00:59 GMT -5
Agreed. Surprise is always good for imersion.
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Post by DM blessedone on Sept 15, 2008 18:08:57 GMT -5
MMMM, Beer and PVP...need I say more? ;D
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Post by Erulaan D'Anhoor on Oct 11, 2008 13:39:20 GMT -5
Beer and PVP!
now yer all talkin!
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