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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Aug 31, 2008 16:07:33 GMT -5
Ah, just saw this topic, so I guess I'm a little late responding, but I might as well...
I wouldn't mind PvP in any area at any time so long as it's done within reason and is about role-playing. That means high level characters just blasting the low-levels would be out --- unless the low level accepts. For instance, if my (low-level) character said a bunch of rude things to another character (high-level) that made the other want to cut me down, I'd agree if the person sent a tell or a role-play message that at least hinted at wanting to commence with the slaughter.
But considering how things always tend to go when there are large groups involved, I voted for PvP only when both players agree.
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Post by astralwyvern on Aug 31, 2008 20:42:27 GMT -5
Okay, I just wanted to add a few comments about PVP because of the issue that happened yesterday. Here are a few griefs about an open PVP server (ie, PVP is allowed without consent if it fits into RP). 1) Open PVP servers can often kill RP. How does it kill RP? Anyone with half a brain and a search engine can Google "NWN 2 Power Builds" and come up with dozens of precious lil' Cleric-FS-bard-RDD-SLord-HIPS-Epic-Divine-Might-cookie-cutter builds that can easily tear through a mage, rogue, bard, or standard melee class in a few rounds. It's exhaustingly unoriginal, tiresome, and has been done before hundreds of times. And what happens when one of those build types tears through a non-consented player PVP is a few things called anger, resentment, vengence, and spite (to name a few). So instead of encouraging players to make original builds and characters, everyone feels the need to defend themselves and to go and makea power build. In no time we have Drow or a Deep Gnome divine casters with spell resistence a million running around trying to prove themselves. 2) It's extremely frustrating to Players. Congratulations PVPer, now everyone is mad at you and no one is having a good time. 3) It pushes those attacked to grinding: How? One of the immediate responses to being attacked without consent is "That's never going to happen again, so I'm going to run out and become and epic-level character." So now your PVP within RP will often cause others not to RP because they're too concerned about being attacked again and getting their next level. The very thing you set out to do ("I'm only attacking within RP, it makes for better and real RP") kills the very thing you wanted. Point in case yesterday: Time spent RPing that situation: On my end, approximately 15 seconds (I came on the scene a bit late). Time spent arguing about what happened (about an hour, maybe more, not to mention time posting that could have been spent on bios/journals and conversations afterward through tells). 4) It causes tension and strife between all parties invovled. Regardless of apologies being sent, people often hold grudges. Sounds like a good idea for a faction of power build PCs. I knew this would happen someday. Every PC that wants help to kill the nasty drow and make a power build PM me. You will get your revenge IC.
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Post by Zealote on Aug 31, 2008 21:11:22 GMT -5
Alright people, this is too much. I was killed twice IC. One time i was playing Ujio, lvl 6 and i died in 1 hit. The other time my paladin lvl 16 was the victim. And you know what? It was awesome. The fight with my paladin involved a little talk before fight. But with my other low lvl, it was just death on sight. But these two times, it was RP. Even for my low lvl. He could not witness what was going on in a cave. So the evil char chased him and killed him, and the talk was: ''Eeek! A drow!'' ''Hey! Come back here!'' And i was dead. But as i said in another thread, action is also RP. Not just words. Sometimes, you dont need to say anything. If you say something, sounds unreal to me. I was knocked down, and 60 sec later i was up. Not 1 xp missing. Not 1 gp missing. But with a great immersion. If you see a drow, you will die, or you will kill it. If some talk is involved, good. But if not, good either way. Both times the drow killed me, she had reason to. Reason IS RP. She is a badass build? Yes she is. Who cares? She cant do anything worse than keep me down for 60 seconds. Then im off to kill some wolves. lol. I dont see reason to get mad if someone kills me. Really. Whats the big deal? A drow being hunted by the Flaming Fist always have reason to kill on sight. If i was playing her, i wouldnt. In fact i would try to get something out of the char and THEN kill him. But im not the drow. Anyway, i think its perfect RP to kill someone in sight if you're a drow. Specially a wanted one. The road is a dangerous place Frodo. Im sure soon she will be captured. Trust me on this. lmao
Thanks Zeal
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Aug 31, 2008 21:19:54 GMT -5
That was funny from the third party view, too. Everything was fine there, but if you ask me, what made it really fun were the two very brief lines that were said. The "Eeek" meant that it was alright to kill you. The "Come back here" meant that you were going to die. Dire situation, but good for laughs! Oh, it was also fun to chase a level six character with a level two. Maybe the drow CAN offer a lot of power... ;D
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Post by Zealote on Aug 31, 2008 21:50:04 GMT -5
Dude, the hole situation was awesome, like i didnt expect to find her inside. Then, i could have just said: ''ooc let me kill some bandits. i dont want PvP.''But i think that sucks for two reasons: 1- The killer dont get anything from killing you. 2- You dont lose anything for dying. So the PvP was all about the RP. And i love the sense of imersion, like i was there killing bandits and i actually heard something. and went to check it out. When i saw her, it scared the bejesus out of me. And oocly, He said the same thing to me. That was awesome. Pure RP man. I had fun, even in death. Because what took place there, was the reason i like to play this game. In fact i could have done some metagaming, and checked the Players List. But i didnt. I never do when joining a new area. Ruins the imertion and the RP for me. There is no surprise, no suspense. No fun. I like to improvise a lot, and if im not surprised, i cant improvise. In fact, like 10 min after the drow had killed me, i met her again near the Arm In. You know what happened? NOTHING, because i was dead to her. Pure and simple RP. She just passed by and went on her way.
-Zeal
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Aug 31, 2008 21:54:44 GMT -5
I never said anything went wrong. I said that it was fun... especially the comments made beforehand.
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Post by Zealote on Aug 31, 2008 21:58:07 GMT -5
Oh, the dialog was precisely that. I thought you were the other guy inside lol... But im not tring to say that people that dont like PvP are wrong. Just saying that to there is nothing wrong with that. Here PvP dont make any diference, its just RP.
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Aug 31, 2008 22:01:44 GMT -5
I was the other guy inside. ;D
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Post by Zealote on Aug 31, 2008 22:06:27 GMT -5
roflmao. So you know that was awesome. hahahahahahahahaha
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Post by Iceshard on Aug 31, 2008 23:07:27 GMT -5
BOGUS, Helbrandt hasnt been in game for a looooooong time, and there is no way he buffed... he is a pure fighter. As for the other pesamistic people, chances are you were killed for good reason lol. The veteran players here dont go around grieving people, as we have already dealt with those types in a quick manor of Bannism. So if you were killed by a higher level you were prob... A) A Good natured person, in seek of adventure and purging evil. B) A Under Dark, Genesai, Plane Touched race and people are racist towards those ( Lore ) C) You prob pissed them off in some manor such as insulting them, not heeding warnings, or getting in their way. Evils are evils for a reason. If it was someone Grieving (Killing you over and over, or without any RP reason) Then by all means inform any DM so we can deal with the matter. Otherwise, you lost nothing but your pride, and 60 seconds to watch your self bleed out. Meh, nothing to complain about as opposed to some other servers.. -Ice
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Post by helbrandt on Aug 31, 2008 23:47:41 GMT -5
Not sure why I'm being brought up in the PVP thread. I haven't logged into the game for more that 5 minutes at a time over the last month or so. You can count the times I have logged in on one hand due to my lack of free time lately and server downtimes. My free time and the down times seem to coincide remarkably. As far as PVP goes, its something I don't care for and avoid...as for griefing other players...well thats crap. Anyone who I have played with...very few left it seems can tell you that. Like Ice pointed out though the only character I play (Lucian Huss) is a pure fighter... I don't buff up...I just draw my sword. My log in name is Helbrandt . If someone is logging in with a similar name/character name I'm gonna be pissed. See ya in game as soon as I can. Ryan
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Post by BOGUS on Sept 1, 2008 0:16:30 GMT -5
Me and my friends were killed in a RP conflict with drow cleric on russian server many month ago, that drow was buffing himself and keeping on talking then suddenly attacked us, when finished his buffing - all i was saying, that Helbrand is right in his position: that in conflict RP any casting is a provocation to aponent, and fighter has all rights to attack immediately divine or arcane caster when they start casting anything while talking in a conflict situation.
PvP that ends with nothing but loosing your pride and 60 seconds watching yourself bleeding isnot correct also - an example:
Bjorl mat Ujio near Beregost and said that he always wanted to have a sparring with dwarf. Well, i buffed myself in stone body and stone skin and we have our sparring without weapon, only on hands. Ujio died - that was ours with Zealote grand mistake! We had to stop fighting before its too late, but we didnt do it, because we knew that this wont have anything bad, except one of us just beeing down for 60 seconds. And thats bad, according to RP i actually killed to death the guy with whom we just fight for fun. Surely we would have stopped in a right time, if knew that one of us would be taken to temple(elfsong tavern) after he dies. So - some effect PvP really must have on both layers. I suggested having 50*lvl exp up or down for PvP players, using this to rezkill and levelluping surely will be an exploit, punished by DMs.
aded well.....50*lvl maybe too much ;-)))
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Post by Zealote on Sept 1, 2008 1:05:35 GMT -5
Me and my friends were killed in a RP conflict with drow cleric on russian server many month ago, that drow was buffing himself and keeping on talking then suddenly attacked us, when finished his buffing - all i was saying, that Helbrand is right in his position: that in conflict RP any casting is a provocation to aponent, and fighter has all rights to attack immediately divine or arcane caster when they start casting anything while talking in a conflict situation. PvP that ends with nothing but loosing your pride and 60 seconds watching yourself bleeding isnot correct also - an example: Bjorl mat Ujio near Beregost and said that he always wanted to have a sparring with dwarf. Well, i buffed myself in stone body and stone skin and we have our sparring without weapon, only on hands. Ujio died - that was ours with Zealote grand mistake! We had to stop fighting before its too late, but we didnt do it, because we knew that this wont have anything bad, except one of us just beeing down for 60 seconds. And thats bad, according to RP i actually killed to death the guy with whom we just fight for fun. Surely we would have stopped in a right time, if knew that one of us would be taken to temple(elfsong tavern) after he dies. So - some effect PvP really must have on both layers. I suggested having 50*lvl exp up or down for PvP players, using this to rezkill and levelluping surely will be an exploit, punished by DMs. aded well.....50*lvl maybe too much ;-))) Actually is not bad man. RP is all in our heads. I just PRed that i didnt die. I just got beated into submission, since we had agreed that it was just a sparring session, not a real fight, so your last punch was a knockout, not a kill. And about the buffs, i let you do it because we wouldn't have a fight if you had fought me unbuffed. It would me cool of you if you didnt buffed, cause i asked for a sparring session. But since you did, i wasnt going to attack you while you were buffing. We agreed to fight as friends. Maybe next time you wont buff so i can fight a real dwarf. -Zeal PS: If you meet my evil char, dont think im gonna let you buff up.... ;D PS2: The other 2 guys that i asked for a sparring session took off the armor and fought me like real men!No spells, armor or weapons.... lmao
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Post by BOGUS on Sept 1, 2008 1:28:04 GMT -5
you was not knocked out - you was killed, there is a knockout ability, which can be taken, so thats unRPeble to think that you was knockout, because you was not. You was killed. Thats my bad as well as yours.
Your PC Ujio is a monk-fighter? You use your fighting abilities - i use my cleric abilities, its not ok with you? Well - i can cast invisibility, when we started, then buff myself, or can just cast death on you, or critical wouds or whatever - so i have plenty of ways how to kick you butt! Wanna honest fight with dwarf? Find yourself a monk-fighter dwarf not a cleric-doctor as me ;-))) But anyway - i am taking the challenge - i will fight Ujio without any buff and in underware!! I even will shave my hair off!! I am going for you, Ujio! :-)
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Post by astralwyvern on Sept 1, 2008 1:32:48 GMT -5
Oh, come on. I thought SS77 wanted everyone to try to hunt/hate the drows. How else will anyone ever have a chance? It just sounded like a good opportunity; pun intended Edit: The polls do not seem to, at this time, reflect the opinions of some of the server vets.
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