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Post by shawnystyle77 on Aug 7, 2008 18:42:59 GMT -5
This sever is very young, and there isnt a whole lot of places to go. As a result, we are all mashed together in one place. Realistically, it -should- be hard to use one of the UD races, however, it might be "sensible" to save everyone grief if we slow down the persecution just until there are places for the UDs to start. I have heard rumor that there will be a significant Underdark presence going in before too long. I intend to pitch in as well in seeing it happen. Once we have a place where new UDs and normal characters can start and advance in relitive harmony apart from one another, then having the full on realism of torches and pitchforks will make a good deal more sense to the smooth play of the server. By overly persicuting as our server currently is, we are basically disallowing these UD races, and I do not believe that was the intent of our server's founder. So... as a personal favor to him, I would advise sending tells and getting permission to have RP conflict with the UDs. If they dont want it... ignore them or just pretend you're too thick to figure out they are a UD. That's my thoughts. Laurk My main is a Drow and a high level one at that. I don't generally want the conflict with her so for RP she wears a Helm, I have suggested this to players as well. To me if they are a drow and make no attempt to hide it, they are open to racial hostility. Hell, I think the helm looks stupid but I just change it out when I'm away from the city.
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Post by Repuls on Aug 7, 2008 19:24:49 GMT -5
OK, I wasnt gonna drag you into this because i hate naming people but you brought it up. Haydel did attempt RP Treants is chasing a weakened Rodo, Haydel kills the treant not realizing Rodo is a deep gnome. Haydel goes to see if Rodo is ok. Rodo rests and buffs fall off revealing his skin. "Oye yer a Dark Gnome!" rodo says "oooooo". Haydel, "Yer Evil!"... Rodo begins to buff... game on! As far as I'm concerned you attacked me. What came after was what was very disturbing...zoning multiple times, logging, then logging on an alt cussing me out and saying how you were gonna level up another toon to get revenge? And no Haydel is not 20. Also if i had killed you, you lose nothing regain consciousness and have full health/spells, its not that bad. Besides if i wanted just to kill without Rp, I woulda hit you while you were resting, catching you at low health with no spells. Ask Maddock I do it to him all the time. WTF are you talking about? You had seen me in the forest much earlier on and probably saw I was buffed to stay alive, I was ignoring you calling me names - questioning my race and simply had JUST finished resting (you watched me rest) then rebuffed to carry on killing treants!!!! How the hell is that an attack?!?!!? Did I attack you once?? Did I even approach you? Did I go hostile?? And then followed me continuing to throw axes through 2 transitions when I have cast invisibility and that is NOT GRIEFING!!!!!! You even stated above the entire conversation you had with me - your a dark gnome, oooo, your evil THEN YOU ATTACKED STRAIGHT AWAY, no decision on my part, no agreement just straight griefing!! Of course I was pissed, that was greifing by definition, I came back on and flamed you because I was angry, and as others are backing up on here Deep gnomes are NOT HATED like drow nor are they necessarily evil, their cities were destroyed by drow, and lots were forced from the underdark. The only race they dislike are drow too. All they have is darker skin, I doubt your halfling would even know what one is. Face facts, YOU ARE IN THE WRONG
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Post by Repuls on Aug 7, 2008 19:33:12 GMT -5
This is a general statment and certainly not meant for anyone in particular. But there are my thoughts on our current place as a PW. This sever is very young, and there isnt a whole lot of places to go. As a result, we are all mashed together in one place. Realistically, it -should- be hard to use one of the UD races, however, it might be "sensible" to save everyone grief if we slow down the persecution just until there are places for the UDs to start. I have heard rumor that there will be a significant Underdark presence going in before too long. I intend to pitch in as well in seeing it happen. Once we have a place where new UDs and normal characters can start and advance in relitive harmony apart from one another, then having the full on realism of torches and pitchforks will make a good deal more sense to the smooth play of the server. By overly persicuting as our server currently is, we are basically disallowing these UD races, and I do not believe that was the intent of our server's founder. So... as a personal favor to him, I would advise sending tells and getting permission to have RP conflict with the UDs. If they dont want it... ignore them or just pretend you're too thick to figure out they are a UD. That's my thoughts. Laurk AMEN
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Post by Repuls on Aug 7, 2008 19:37:35 GMT -5
This server is supposed to be RP-lite. RP is encouraged but not enforced remember? In this context, the above sounds like griefing not RP. Thanks, -driller Right but if Ii begin RP and the char starts casting spells... ok I will let you buff to holy hell and then you can talk smack to me.... I've seen it happen and the end result is not good. Send me a tell or say OOC i dont want to fight, but if i see you start buffing my attack is self defense. How is that grief? Even though I see drow and the like as KOS, I actually DO NOT attack them on sight. My first goal has always been to make the player leave "flee". Guys like Lemmar, sorry bro but ya turned a Flaming Fist into a chicken and Maddock, I just can't see how thier chars would be tolerated. Im not saying attack them on sight everytime, but sure as hell not party up and do some quests together. *edit-in hindsight regarding rodo, it was wrong for me to follow you thru zones, as you did "Flee". My reasoning for doing it was two-fold. A) casters will often zone rest/buff and return. B) deep gnomes can be very powerful and that challenge rating can lie. In the future I will make an effort to try an play out hostile situations with more RP before violence, however, I still see buffing or threats as just cause. What a hipocrit, when exactly am I supposed to say this ooc when you only allow me to return one conversation line - ooo before attacking? I ran straight away and you followed, "Even though I see drow and the like as KOS, I actually DO NOT attack them on sight. My first goal has always been to make the player leave "flee".", absolute BS
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Post by Repuls on Aug 7, 2008 21:14:10 GMT -5
why don't you man up and accept you were griefing, more for my argument than against. I did not "run off" I was right next to you, and I only intended to carry on what I was doing which was killing treants, (well before you came along.) Listen to what the DM/admins are saying, pull your head in. By the way, there is no namecalling in any of my posts nor anything irrational. You are making poor excuses for your actions after having admitted you chased me, that I did not attack you and that I did not agree to PVP so where is your argument again? Because I was buffing means I was going to attack? COME ON .
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Post by Repuls on Aug 7, 2008 21:22:30 GMT -5
Im not worked up at all, just highlighting to everyone else what "RP lite" means to some people, and that certain players need no reason to attack/greif ECL races, even though the Admins/DMs state that you can play any race on this server.
I request a DM warn you for your behaviour, I am not the first to face your actions, and am here to have fun. How many slip ups/people need to be pissed off with you before your booted? Never had an issue before meeting your halfling.
Im not gonna argue anymore. Im spent
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Post by shawnystyle77 on Aug 7, 2008 21:25:31 GMT -5
Attacking is not griefing IMO, besides this thread is about Racial Tension in the realms... not pvp. *points down* the issue threads are down there, if you think pvp is griefing please voice your concern.
Drow are hated... discuss
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Post by laurk on Aug 7, 2008 22:25:53 GMT -5
This is a bonified flame war. There really is no point in contining it. There have been several viable solutions posted about the problem and the server really isnt ready for this scale of PvP yet as its too small and doesnt offer equal environments to the baddies as it does to the goodies.
This was obviously a miscommunication. One player thought the other was buffing to attack, the other just wanted to be left alone. Solution... use tells from now on to make sure everyone involved wants to play. Problem solved.
These kinds of post wars make logging into the forums and the server seem like "work' for the DMs and Admins... and we dont want that. As soon as they stop having fun.... bye bye server. You guys should really continue the argument in Personal Messages if you are going to... but really, you should probably just try to leave it be and get past it.
Laurk.
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Post by shawnystyle77 on Aug 8, 2008 1:33:13 GMT -5
This is a bonified flame war. There really is no point in contining it. There have been several viable solutions posted about the problem and the server really isnt ready for this scale of PvP yet as its too small and doesnt offer equal environments to the baddies as it does to the goodies. This was obviously a miscommunication. One player thought the other was buffing to attack, the other just wanted to be left alone. Solution... use tells from now on to make sure everyone involved wants to play. Problem solved. These kinds of post wars make logging into the forums and the server seem like "work' for the DMs and Admins... and we dont want that. As soon as they stop having fun.... bye bye server. You guys should really continue the argument in Personal Messages if you are going to... but really, you should probably just try to leave it be and get past it. Laurk. No worries, we're both big boys and it has been resolved....now back to the subject at hand. Teiflings scare the bejesus outta mean...discuss
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Post by Repuls on Aug 8, 2008 5:19:27 GMT -5
Yep, its sorted me and Shawn are good. Admins can you delete the irrelevant posts plz.
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Post by whenwizardswar on Aug 8, 2008 9:13:18 GMT -5
Yep, its sorted me and Shawn are good. Admins can you delete the irrelevant posts plz. It should never have started in the first place, people PLEASE PM issues like this to the DM's first, such rants and post-fights are bad for the community and generally kills very thought provokeing threads.
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Post by Zealote on Aug 8, 2008 10:45:08 GMT -5
Attacking is not griefing IMO, besides this thread is about Racial Tension in the realms... not pvp. *points down* the issue threads are down there, if you think pvp is griefing please voice your concern. Drow are hated... discuss I agree with you shawn, but the are more feared than hated. I had i good experience last night, with a drow been killed. Not by Valek, but by the Flaming Fist Mercenary that i went to sumon. Amber held the drow for questioning and i told Ice what was happenig. He was quick to respond, and lots of RP were involved. Then the drow was killed. You know this. Haydel was there. But it was done with the careful watch of a DM, so there can be so questioning. My advice to you is to behave like you did at that time. Even tough i dont agree with all the killing as you all know, in that case it was properly RPed, so none can complain. Besides it was alot funnier then just kill the worm (drow not player pls). Like: ''sir here are my papers that prov-'' *Fist sword to the gut* ''well mate you shouldnt have made that sudden move...'' lol Dont you think that was the best way to handle it? So you can avoid all this war. If they dont like it, let them complain with the DMs. -Raffael
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Post by Zealote on Aug 8, 2008 10:52:57 GMT -5
There is a fun solution for this problem.... I have made that suggestion to Ice already. Maybe our DMs could spawn from time to time (when they're not busy) a drow party, or a Fist party. A drow party to scare the UD killers, and the Fist party so scare the UD who let people see them in the open. Of course it would more effective if we could not see the CR as i have suggested. But that is just a RP suggestion. Just while we dont have ''rules'' to that sort of PvP. But im no DM so is up to them really. -Raffael PS: i also suggested to Ice to spawn Dritzz's aunt to beat the hell out of the so called ''Dritzz cousin'' for being out here on the surface. lol. But that was a joke. -Raffael
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Post by shawnystyle77 on Aug 8, 2008 15:41:33 GMT -5
Attacking is not griefing IMO, besides this thread is about Racial Tension in the realms... not pvp. *points down* the issue threads are down there, if you think pvp is griefing please voice your concern. Drow are hated... discuss I agree with you shawn, but the are more feared than hated. I had i good experience last night, with a drow been killed. Not by Valek, but by the Flaming Fist Mercenary that i went to sumon. Amber held the drow for questioning and i told Ice what was happenig. He was quick to respond, and lots of RP were involved. Then the drow was killed. You know this. Haydel was there. But it was done with the careful watch of a DM, so there can be so questioning. My advice to you is to behave like you did at that time. Even tough i dont agree with all the killing as you all know, in that case it was properly RPed, so none can complain. Besides it was alot funnier then just kill the worm (drow not player pls). Like: ''sir here are my papers that prov-'' *Fist sword to the gut* ''well mate you shouldnt have made that sudden move...'' lol Dont you think that was the best way to handle it? So you can avoid all this war. If they dont like it, let them complain with the DMs. -Raffael Oh most definitely, I agree completely and wholeheartidly. Ask Raethen the tiefling paladin. Not once have we ever attacked him, he hasnt given good enough reason to. Just everything that he says or does is spun or twisted into making him out to be a devil. At one point he was set ablaze and sucked into another plane by a demon.... what does Haydel see? "Oye, Torm smote him for using his name falsely". Attacking him would never make sense because they are still in the accusation stage with him. I doubt the tiefling ever would be attacked because he actually is a paladin and therefore unlikely to do or say anything soliciting violence.
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Post by raethen on Aug 8, 2008 15:49:15 GMT -5
Gee, i wonder who this is directed at...
Now i'm wondering whether you are insulting my backstory or just think that it was a stupid thing for Rae to admit to.
:Modification: Dont get me wrong, i enjoy my RP with Haydel. But perhaps it would be best for all if people who wanted to RP tense, potentially lifethreatening encounters with the more mistrusted races would ask the person if they wanted to be involved first. Some people just dont want to deal with that kind of thing, and all it would take is a tell.
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