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Post by shawnystyle77 on Aug 8, 2008 16:00:12 GMT -5
Gee, i wonder who this is directed at... Now i'm wondering whether you are insulting my backstory or just think that it was a stupid thing for Rae to admit to. I'm not sure who you are quoting, hell it could have been me. Although I guess your parent "could" be a demon, tieflings and all other planetouced are just that "touched". Somewhere in your family there is a small amount of it in your blood, IE your father could have it in his blood and not show any signs. Being Half-Demon being far more rare but I guess possible, though I would think you would be far more grotesque and volatile if you were a Half-Demon. I understand it is a paladin nature to not deceive, being a teifling is bad enough, Half-Demon is just asking for it though.
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Post by Zealote on Aug 8, 2008 16:54:57 GMT -5
Gee, i wonder who this is directed at... Now i'm wondering whether you are insulting my backstory or just think that it was a stupid thing for Rae to admit to. :Modification: Dont get me wrong, i enjoy my RP with Haydel. But perhaps it would be best for all if people who wanted to RP tense, potentially lifethreatening encounters with the more mistrusted races would ask the person if they wanted to be involved first. Some people just dont want to deal with that kind of thing, and all it would take is a tell. Im sorry but i have to disagree just a little bit... I think that the warning must be: I will RP ''tense, potentially lifethreatening'' with you. If you dont want no part, please choose other char. Or do like Gandalf told you Frodo, ''Stay off the road'' lol. I dont like attacks on sight, but i dont like to see a drow or a tiefling running around near the city, unchecked. Thats just bad RP. If you're in a disguise thats kinda alright (KINDA). But to openly show your heritage to other players....thats just really bad RP. Can you imagine if the server's name was Tales of the Underdark and when you walk around you see 100 humans just showing themselves to whatever passes by? John Shortlife asks the near drow: -hello sir...where can i find the nearest inn? The drow: -certainly good human. *Cuts off John's head* -There you go my friend. Enjoy your time on the UD. -Raffael
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Post by shawnystyle77 on Aug 8, 2008 17:14:26 GMT -5
Gee, i wonder who this is directed at... Now i'm wondering whether you are insulting my backstory or just think that it was a stupid thing for Rae to admit to. :Modification: Dont get me wrong, i enjoy my RP with Haydel. But perhaps it would be best for all if people who wanted to RP tense, potentially lifethreatening encounters with the more mistrusted races would ask the person if they wanted to be involved first. Some people just dont want to deal with that kind of thing, and all it would take is a tell. Im sorry but i have to disagree just a little bit... I think that the warning must be: I will RP ''tense, potentially lifethreatening'' with you. If you dont want no part, please choose other char. Or do like Gandalf told you Frodo, ''Stay off the road'' lol. I dont like attacks on sight, but i dont like to see a drow or a tiefling running around near the city, unchecked. Thats just bad RP. If you're in a disguise thats kinda alright (KINDA). But to openly show your heritage to other players....thats just really bad RP. Can you imagine if the server's name was Tales of the Underdark and when you walk around you see 100 humans just showing themselves to whatever passes by? John Shortlife asks the near drow: -hello sir...where can i find the nearest inn? The drow: -certainly good human. *Cuts off John's head* -There you go my friend. Enjoy your time on the UD. -Raffael That hits the nail on the head. Keeping things IC as much as possible is best, I don't want to have to ask a player OOC if I can RP with them, on the same hand if they want to be left alone it's easy enough to send me a tell. I have given drows and the like "outs". "Hey dude just cast darkness and run, next time yer by the city throw a helm on and I' wont mess with ya". Flaunting horns or dark skin is akin to telling me, hey come create some conflict. Again horns =/= insta-death, but they do = hostility as you have seen.
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Post by deserk on Aug 9, 2008 12:35:49 GMT -5
Drows shouldn't be instantly killed on sight, because not all of the Drow city-states are at war with the surface races and Drows have to trade with surface races to keep their economy alive.
The Drows are viewed with suspicion and hatred, but they are also feared. Even high lvled players should be careful with the low lvl Drows, because the Drows are very organized and would take revenge for the murder of their people.
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Post by Thief Of Navarre on Aug 9, 2008 12:41:20 GMT -5
Can you imagine the Icewind dale/Drow Renegade series if: "Drizzt exits the underdark, is killed ~ teh end!"
No, you cant! Its just silly to assume average 'good' people would go cutting off drow heads the same way a drow who are more disposed to negative alignments and violence/torture would do to a human in the underdark! You have to remember that despite being evil the drow normally have very little contact with the surface... at least little enough to incite hatred. Elves as age old enemies may hate drow but unless your a 'Hordes of the Underdark' repeat player chances are you've never actually 'seen' a drow elf before unless your moon elven, sun elven or wood elven... if your a wild elf chances are you'venever seen ANYONE before!
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Post by shawnystyle77 on Aug 9, 2008 15:25:41 GMT -5
Drows shouldn't be instantly killed on sight, because not all of the Drow city-states are at war with the surface races and Drows have to trade with surface races to keep their economy alive. The Drows are viewed with suspicion and hatred, but they are also feared. Even high lvled players should be careful with the low lvl Drows, because the Drows are very organized and would take revenge for the murder of their people. True, but the surface has little knowledge of drow politics. What little surfacers would know is that drow raid/kill/enslave surface villages. The drow cities/settlements that are friendly with surfacer are rare. As far as high level chars seeing Drow, they should assume that they are not alone and most likely a scout for a raiding party. As far as Baldur's Gate, we HAVE seen drow. Seen them raid and kill, seen drow players and fought with them. I'm sorry but my high level halfling isn't gonna run in fear, he has too much experience and hatred for drow to leave them be. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I remember a Drow NPC in the Baldur's gate game. Viconia? Weren't a bunch of villagers trying to burn her or something like that when the player encounters her?
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Post by Zealote on Aug 9, 2008 17:10:07 GMT -5
Can you imagine the Icewind dale/Drow Renegade series if: "Drizzt exits the underdark, is killed ~ teh end!" No, you cant! Its just silly to assume average 'good' people would go cutting off drow heads the same way a drow who are more disposed to negative alignments and violence/torture would do to a human in the underdark! You have to remember that despite being evil the drow normally have very little contact with the surface... at least little enough to incite hatred. Elves as age old enemies may hate drow but unless your a 'Hordes of the Underdark' repeat player chances are you've never actually 'seen' a drow elf before unless your moon elven, sun elven or wood elven... if your a wild elf chances are you'venever seen ANYONE before! I agree that ''good'' people would not take the same course of action (kill). But the similar course of action for ''good'' people of the surface is to try to bring the drow to the authorities. Like we did with the Fist. As i said before, i do not agree with the killing, but i do not agree with the ''walking around unchecked'' stuff. My point was, like the humans are afraid of the UD, the Drow are afraid of the surface. Thats all. If you were a human on the UD, you would hide your identity. So would a drow on the surface. That is all im asking. As you said, we are not suppose to encounter so many drows. We are not wild, sun, or moon elves. Im not saying they cant be here. Just saying the should stay unnoticed, or else they would be hunted by the authorities or adventures. -Raffael
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Post by Thief Of Navarre on Aug 9, 2008 17:50:05 GMT -5
That was in Baldur's Gate II Shawnystyle; in Baldur's Gate a 'Neutral Evil' Fist member was confronting the 'neutral evil' Viconia De'vir I believe.. ~ personal goals belieing personal goals.. If you didnt save here in BGII you were clearly chaotic, thats all im saying!
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Post by raethen on Aug 9, 2008 21:30:09 GMT -5
[Extended info]
She was being burned by a priest of beshaba, lady doom, goddess of bad luck.
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Post by BOGUS on Aug 10, 2008 11:33:27 GMT -5
Hello there, i know one solution: in my first minute on the server (i was playing very kind shield dwarf) i was asked (... or ordered :-)) for help by a drow Ami. In ten minutes after we were both killed by Flaming First soldier and a bunch of crazy .... somebodies. There was RP, short one, i said that i am cleric of Tyr and will not allow to kill that drow. CRAZY PEOPLE: Thats a lie!!! You are not cleric of Tyr!!! BJORL BARRO: *showing Flaming Fist soldier documents that he IS cleric of Tyr* next second dwarf and drow laying dead and every one says *spliting on their corpses* And no one even didnt think that the drow coul have been a spying not for Underdark, but for Baldurs Gate - if she standing with a shield dwarf, who tries to protect her. Maybe bunch of killers and Flaming First Seeker had INT and WIS minus -6? dont know :-)) So - the solution: Meet Yorik from Bremen! Absolutely evil duergar, servant of Ami's drow House!! I garantee you fun now! Ye, and hello to the completely insane Amber Rose, she cant live without one day drow kill and hello to her slave Tourch halfling. Underdark coming, and coming without any mercy to the people above! Thats a resalt of your own actions against one little drow girl. Yes, yes. First time playing evil character, and finding it amasing :-)) i am sure - many more players, who will appear on server firstly as good will become evil, and you will really understand what are DROW RAIDS! (sorry for mistakes, we are from moscow, russia - with love to you all certanly )
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Post by human destroyer on Aug 10, 2008 14:57:01 GMT -5
I'm new to all of this so please forgive my lack of knowledge, but from what I've read, some races don't always follow the norm. Some drow are good (followers of eilisatree) and some tieflings are good as well. If they haven't done anything, but good.... will they still be judged by what is known of their race? Or will their actions prove otherwise.
I mean I understand, at first sight, becoming defensive or suspicious or getting guards to capture and interrogate them. But what if even after all the hate they continue to do good and fight against evil. Will they still be attacked and what not?
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Post by deserk on Aug 10, 2008 15:10:23 GMT -5
I agree that Duergar and Drows should try to avoid or keep their distance from people, and most that I've encountered do that.
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Post by jasonpauldegraaf on Aug 10, 2008 15:11:21 GMT -5
*shrugs* Meh.
The RP was accurate. No shield/gold dwarf in their right mind would ever associate with a drow unless it was an extremely unique situation. Drow have a long history of battling the dwarfs as they both live underground. And dwarven memories are very, very, very long. For the most part they view themselves as one with their people. If you attack one, you attack them all. Things like overlooking hundreds of years of drow attacks, deaths in their lineage and resources lost is an absolutely ludicrous and unrealistic idea.
So please play a dwarf correctly.
Besides that, Drow had recently launched a massive attack outside the city of Baldur's gate. Also, naming rules will be out very soon. I'm not sure if DMs will let Miss Do'Urden to keep running around, but that's not my call.
And I don't care if you're a drow, duergar, dwarf, elf, halfling or a deep gnome. All the same to me for PVP. Your SR doesn't mean anything. It can be lowered in a heartbeat.
Back to work on quests, -JPD
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Post by jasonpauldegraaf on Aug 10, 2008 15:16:17 GMT -5
I'm new to all of this so please forgive my lack of knowledge, but from what I've read, some races don't always follow the norm. Some drow are good (followers of eilisatree) and some tieflings are good as well. If they haven't done anything, but good.... will they still be judged by what is known of their race? Or will their actions prove otherwise. I mean I understand, at first sight, becoming defensive or suspicious or getting guards to capture and interrogate them. But what if even after all the hate they continue to do good and fight against evil. Will they still be attacked and what not? Most citizens of Faerun will stereotype, very few will not. Most will be suspicious, shout blames to them, run away, hide, become frightened, or call guards for any UD race. Tiefs and Half-Orcs are viewed suspiciously and often stereotyped, but not to the same extreme as the UD races. Will UD races be attacked on sight? It's not uncommon. Amber is LG so she will not kill on sight, although it is completely legal to do so in regard to drow. She witnessed the death of Miss Do'Urden and Bjorn the dwarf, along with Yorik and (again) Miss Do'Urden. But she did not attack either time.
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Post by human destroyer on Aug 10, 2008 15:49:38 GMT -5
I'm new to all of this so please forgive my lack of knowledge, but from what I've read, some races don't always follow the norm. Some drow are good (followers of eilisatree) and some tieflings are good as well. If they haven't done anything, but good.... will they still be judged by what is known of their race? Or will their actions prove otherwise. I mean I understand, at first sight, becoming defensive or suspicious or getting guards to capture and interrogate them. But what if even after all the hate they continue to do good and fight against evil. Will they still be attacked and what not? Most citizens of Faerun will stereotype, very few will not. Most will be suspicious, shout blames to them, run away, hide, become frightened, or call guards for any UD race. Tiefs and Half-Orcs are viewed suspiciously and often stereotyped, but not to the same extreme as the UD races. Will UD races be attacked on sight? It's not uncommon. Amber is LG so she will not kill on sight, although it is completely legal to do so in regard to drow. She witnessed the death of Miss Do'Urden and Bjorn the dwarf, along with Yorik and (again) Miss Do'Urden. But she did not attack either time. So if they show they mean no harm and will fight against evil relentlessly, will they eventually be accepted topside?
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