jasonpauldegraaf
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Post by jasonpauldegraaf on Aug 4, 2008 16:45:22 GMT -5
Hey all,
I just wanted to start a thread about accurate racial tensions in the Realms. What I have seen over and over again on this server is that people often project our 21st century-don't-judge-anyone-individualistic paradigm into the game. I'm no expert in the Realms, but I do have some basic knowledge of how races often view each other. And yes, I understand that there are exceptions, but they are exceedingly rare.
For instance:
Sun elves are elitists.
Dwarfs and Elves have a tension between them.
Drow and Thayans are racist and view any other race as inferior to themselves.
Gold dwarfs consider themselves true dwarfs compared to shield dwarfs.
That's just a start. Anyone else have anything to add?
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Post by whenwizardswar on Aug 4, 2008 18:29:44 GMT -5
Hey all, I just wanted to start a thread about accurate racial tensions in the Realms. What I have seen over and over again on this server is that people often project our 21st century-don't-judge-anyone-individualistic paradigm into the game. I'm no expert in the Realms, but I do have some basic knowledge of how races often view each other. And yes, I understand that there are exceptions, but they are exceedingly rare. For instance: Sun elves are elitists. Dwarfs and Elves have a tension between them. Drow and Thayans are racist and view any other race as inferior to themselves. Gold dwarfs consider themselves true dwarfs compared to shield dwarfs. That's just a start. Anyone else have anything to add? -Yes -Yes -Triple and Quardruple yes for Thayans but if they are conducting bussiness in other regions they are more likely to keep their personal opinions to themselves, Drow? Not so much -Yes
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Post by shawnystyle77 on Aug 4, 2008 19:04:22 GMT -5
Well I for one have been having fun hate-mongering with my halfling. Gimli the dwarf is a blast. Anyhow, when it comes to "racism", that is very much a 21st century term and deals with variations in race... not entirely different races.
Telling a char he is racist or closed minded because he wants to kill your drow friend is kinda pointless. Of course he is racist by our standards, but by Forgotten Realms standards, he is right. On the other hand, you would be considered a traitor and a fool.
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laurk
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Post by laurk on Aug 4, 2008 19:06:43 GMT -5
This thread is fantatstic for a more role-play oriented server, and while I do try to RP along these lines, its important to note that at least 90% of our population has horns, tails, or has fire/water/dirt for hair.
After the inclusion of the uber over-powered races and classes such as half-troll, quarter-drow, quarter pit fiend plane-walking Runescarred Berserker Arcanists, this is only going to get worse. Even now, I have two normal "human" characters and rarley ever see anyone like me. Playing a human cleric, I feel like im not in Baldur's Gate, but in Sigil walking among the flotsom and jetsom of the cosmos. If I RPed my normal racial prejudices, I would be outnumbered 20 to 1. I may be one of only a few players who use a completely standard race. Now, this is an RP "light" server so I dont fret the odd population. Its all good, and I enjoy playing alongside horned tieflings and people whose heads are on fire as though they were "normal." I dont mind being buddy buddy with every new drow I meet as though 99% of their race were not stone cold killers pretending to be "Drizzt" so they could stick a dagger in your guts. But, I can say that topics such as this one are going to be pretty moot on our server, esspecially after the near-future inclusions of all the expansion races and expansion classes which have no place in an RP based server. (if the rumors are true)
Laurk
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Post by shawnystyle77 on Aug 4, 2008 19:24:55 GMT -5
This thread is fantatstic for a more role-play oriented server, and while I do try to RP along these lines, its important to note that at least 90% of our population has horns, tails, or has fire/water/dirt for hair. Laurk I totally hear you, The oddest thing happened today, I was at the campfire outside the gate, talking with seven other players. One halfling, a dwarf, five humans and a tiefling. End result? The teifling was driven off and one of the humans was attacked by others for be a "devil loving traitor". I have made it my (haydel) mission to make life for anyone who doesn't "fit" to be hell. So please, please, for the love of RP and lore, don't give up the fight! Ostricize, chastize and hate all the freaks! The people who play them knew what they were asking for when they created them, so let's not disappoint.
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Thief Of Navarre
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Post by Thief Of Navarre on Aug 4, 2008 19:43:18 GMT -5
I have two PC's, both low level! Merin the halfling is a devout racist, but also a lustfull halfling female... meanging pretty much anything with a pulse that is male gets a look in (females as well perhaps). Amon is a open minded priest of Lathander that belives the law is the law unless he is more inclined to follow law by its spiritual meaning rather than its judgicial end. He will often openly consort and party with tieflings, drow, e.t.c. Different characters tell a different story, dont try and be polically correct when roleplaying..... Faerun isnt afraid of law suites
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jmlfoo
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Post by jmlfoo on Aug 5, 2008 0:56:09 GMT -5
.... I have made it my (haydel) mission to make life for anyone who doesn't "fit" to be hell. .... My poor english comprehension did not understood wholly what factions are not "fit"? The ones who does not hate and are tolerate beyond normal Realm lore or the other ones (the ones who RP within Realm lore)? Hmmmh.. live and let die.
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radium
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Post by radium on Aug 5, 2008 1:01:38 GMT -5
Hahaha, Gimli asked Zacho Storm what race he was on suspicions that he might be a tiefling, and Gimli and Zacho had a nice PVP! (By the way, Zacho is human!)
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Post by bunnyphantom on Aug 5, 2008 1:03:31 GMT -5
Ya I know XD He's so small that he can't see your horns unless ye sit down!
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Post by shawnystyle77 on Aug 5, 2008 14:44:56 GMT -5
.... I have made it my (haydel) mission to make life for anyone who doesn't "fit" to be hell. .... My poor english comprehension did not understood wholly what factions are not "fit"? The ones who does not hate and are tolerate beyond normal Realm lore or the other ones (the ones who RP within Realm lore)? Hmmmh.. live and let die. Anything from the underdark he will assume is EVIL. Tieflings are treated with extreme mistrust, and if the player has stated that their parent is a demon (which btw is completely dumb) they are EVIL. Half-Orcs are feared and at the slightest inuendo will be considered EVIL. Anyone who consorts with the above mentioned will be deemed a Drow lover, Devil lover or Orc lover and EVIL. The goal isn't to grief characters that are seen as EVIL, some of them may be good, but to make life hard on them. I would prefer that they run, but most players dont seem to like to do that.
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Thief Of Navarre
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Post by Thief Of Navarre on Aug 5, 2008 16:27:37 GMT -5
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Post by shawnystyle77 on Aug 5, 2008 16:33:25 GMT -5
Right, so if you arent hunting them yer bad as well! It doesn't matter if the drow are good or the humans are bad, what matters is that they are DROW. It is racism.
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Post by norikcain on Aug 5, 2008 23:02:43 GMT -5
I have made it my (haydel) mission to make life for anyone who doesn't "fit" to be hell. So please, please, for the love of RP and lore, don't give up the fight! Ostricize, chastize and hate all the freaks! The people who play them knew what they were asking for when they created them, so let's not disappoint. You really shouldnt be forcing your rp onto others and ruining their game experience. We are all here to have fun. If you cant manage to do that without ruining someone elses fun, then maybe something is wrong? e.g you saying you are making it your personal mission to go after any race that "you" do not deem "fit". Rp only goes so far. Sounds more like you are trying to force people to rp how you think they should rather than how they want. As long as they rp within the confines of the rule, they shouldnt be forced to comply with your particular views of rp just because you like it that way.
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Post by borton on Aug 5, 2008 23:35:14 GMT -5
heres my 2'cents wort should we not have a Under Dark and a new zone in point for the dark races in my thinking drow on the suricive shold be a rare acrounce and if they on topside they up to no good
borton
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Post by shawnystyle77 on Aug 6, 2008 0:00:01 GMT -5
I have made it my (haydel) mission to make life for anyone who doesn't "fit" to be hell. So please, please, for the love of RP and lore, don't give up the fight! Ostricize, chastize and hate all the freaks! The people who play them knew what they were asking for when they created them, so let's not disappoint. You really shouldnt be forcing your rp onto others and ruining their game experience. We are all here to have fun. If you cant manage to do that without ruining someone elses fun, then maybe something is wrong? e.g you saying you are making it your personal mission to go after any race that "you" do not deem "fit". Rp only goes so far. Sounds more like you are trying to force people to rp how you think they should rather than how they want. As long as they rp within the confines of the rule, they shouldnt be forced to comply with your particular views of rp just because you like it that way. This is not "my rp" or "my lore"! Im not out to ruin anyones fun. Rather the opposite make the game fun. And I am by no means "forcing my RP" on anyone, this is the RP of the Forgotten Realms, I am merely adopting and complying to it. Drow are hated. Teiflings are mistrusted and thought to be part devil. God forbid I actually follow convention and freak out if I see a Drow or half demon! Or we can all just hold hands and power grind up to 30 and be bored...
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