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Feb 5, 2009 9:09:31 GMT -5
Post by ovarf on Feb 5, 2009 9:09:31 GMT -5
I have seen many people state that if you do _______ I consider this an automatic OK from you for PvP.
The rules state explicitly that OOC permission has to be attained yet I know that's not always the case. What are all the exceptions and can we have them written out in one place so new people don't have to dig around for them?
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Feb 5, 2009 9:15:41 GMT -5
Post by DEV Jlf2n on Feb 5, 2009 9:15:41 GMT -5
We could write it out, but if we tried to cover every base the rules would be 10 pages long. In cases like this you have to use your good judgement. You can tell through conversation how the situation is going.
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Feb 5, 2009 9:25:32 GMT -5
Post by ovarf on Feb 5, 2009 9:25:32 GMT -5
Well since there are exceptions that don't require talking maybe at least those should be written out.
I'm not talking about 2 people talking themselves into a fight i am talking about the ones like Drow are kill on sight on the surface and depending on who you ask so are a lot of other things.
Not looking for every possible exception just the al;ready stated ones that are squirled away all over the boards why not collect them.
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Feb 5, 2009 9:39:45 GMT -5
Post by shorn on Feb 5, 2009 9:39:45 GMT -5
Overf, my friend, consider me your portable book of exceptions....just send me a tell if you cant figure it out.
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Feb 5, 2009 10:07:02 GMT -5
Post by ovarf on Feb 5, 2009 10:07:02 GMT -5
I was mainly thinking this would be a good idea so that new players would have a heads up on some of the major exceptions to the rule that are already written out in the forums and to just collect them in one place.
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Feb 5, 2009 10:12:09 GMT -5
Post by adzling on Feb 5, 2009 10:12:09 GMT -5
imho the rules for the server should be put into an in-game book and dropped on every toon at creation.
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Feb 5, 2009 12:01:21 GMT -5
Post by ovarf on Feb 5, 2009 12:01:21 GMT -5
I just think the major exceptions to each rule should be collected into some sort of addendum we already have a few and it only looks like more will pop up if we at least have them all somewhere we can
A find them easily
and more important B be able to tell when its getting a bit overencombered and either drop or rewrite them to more clearly state their intentions.
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Feb 5, 2009 13:38:33 GMT -5
Post by luna on Feb 5, 2009 13:38:33 GMT -5
Hmm, it's not really that hard to quickly type ((PvP ok?? Even if it's in a private tell.
This is pretty much the rule on every server I've even played on, and not to mention nice etiquette. Only people brand new to playing online shouldn't be aware of this.
Even on servers I have played on that have open PvP area's where permission is not needed, most people would still ask or at least give a warning to get lost or you're going to be attacked.
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Feb 5, 2009 13:41:20 GMT -5
Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Feb 5, 2009 13:41:20 GMT -5
The one that I have seen is stealing from others. Yes, if a person steals from someone else and the other person catches him, the second person should be able to chop him down if it fits the personality. Can you imagine an evil person saying "Hey, I saw you take that from me. Could you be a nice person and give it back? If not, I understand perfectly."? There has to be some repercussion for stealing.
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Feb 5, 2009 13:41:42 GMT -5
Post by ovarf on Feb 5, 2009 13:41:42 GMT -5
I agree with you luna but even some of the staff have made statements that are counter to this viewpoint hence my request for some clarification.
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Feb 5, 2009 13:49:12 GMT -5
Post by broham2 on Feb 5, 2009 13:49:12 GMT -5
I think what he is looking for is something along the lines of:
If you are a drow, you auto consent to PvP If you are a Fist, you auto consent to PvP If you steal, you auto consent to PvP from the victim
Etc.
I destest black/white rules with a passion but I see his point. Personally I think anyone that creates a character in the UD is auto-consenting to PvP due to the nature of the UD.. as is anyone that RPs heavily and RPs the smart-talkin mouthy type. I mean, if you are alone with an evil son-of-a-B on the tradeway and keep talkin smack, what do you think will happen?
Its not like PvP actually kills you or penalizes you in any way, as long as it isnt OOC BS or griefing I think the rules should be fairly liberal.
But thats just my take.
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Feb 5, 2009 13:50:36 GMT -5
Post by ovarf on Feb 5, 2009 13:50:36 GMT -5
the Drow / underdark races are kill on sight on the surface according to some DMs. Kill on sight dose not leave a lot of room for a PM just wondering what the other "RP" exceptions are.
one example would be
Can a player PvP a polymorphed mage that looks like a devil if his PC would do so regardless of permission?
If your going to make a rule with exceptions i don't feel its to much to ask for them to be collected somewhere.
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Feb 5, 2009 13:52:07 GMT -5
Post by caveman282 on Feb 5, 2009 13:52:07 GMT -5
I think sending a tell is kinda lame. It sends a messge to the other player to get ready to be attacked which they start buffing. I did a test sorta yesterday and when I logged on my rogue I set everyone on the server to hostile. That should be enough for anyone to know that PVP will be coming or hey PVP is ok. I actually didn't attack anyone. I got many many many tells saying hey whats going on and hey sweet im looking forward to it and hey I dont wannt pvp. You know what I never once sent the first tell. I replied to those who sent and also the ones who sent back saying hey please dont i left alone.
But I will continue to log in and set everyone to Hostile on my rogue even if I dont atack anyone. The world is a dangerous place so be prepared.
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Feb 5, 2009 13:55:55 GMT -5
Post by broham2 on Feb 5, 2009 13:55:55 GMT -5
I think sending a tell is kinda lame. It sends a messge to the other player to get ready to be attacked which they start buffing. I did a test sorta yesterday and when I logged on my rogue I set everyone on the server to hostile. That should be enough for anyone to know that PVP will be coming or hey PVP is ok. I actually didn't attack anyone. I got many many many tells saying hey whats going on and hey sweet im looking forward to it and hey I dont wannt pvp. You know what I never once sent the first tell. I replied to those who sent and also the ones who sent back saying hey please dont i left alone. But I will continue to log in and set everyone to Hostile on my rogue even if I dont atack anyone. The world is a dangerous place so be prepared. I completely agree with this, and think that more people should do it. When the UD to surface transition is in especially, all UD characters should set the surfacers hostile (and vice versa) just to keep everyone on their toes. Besides, setting someone to hostile doesnt mean you HAVE to attack them, or them attack you.
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Feb 5, 2009 14:00:08 GMT -5
Post by adzling on Feb 5, 2009 14:00:08 GMT -5
yeah sending a tell saying "hey im going to assassinate you" kinda breaks the point imho. better if a dm asks the target "hey do you consent to no-notification pvp".
Although personally i don't know what all the fuss is about considering ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAPPENS if you get killed in pvp.
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