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Rule 8
Feb 5, 2009 19:00:54 GMT -5
Post by Forumlord of Talos on Feb 5, 2009 19:00:54 GMT -5
I myself Usually give an out for someone IC
One I used a few days back was on a passer bye who had walked in on a situation. I simply said " Now is the time where you decide you should be elsewhere so say your polite goodbyes and move down the road. Because the scene before you is about to change for the worse"
This was a situation where my character had no reason to bring harm to the individual who accidentally came upon something he shouldn't have. I gave him an out to avoid any hostility in the region. His characters actions at that point decide his consent to PvP. One if he had walked on it would have said nope not interested in PvP. Needless to say he mockingly stepped across the road and said ' I think I will watch from over here down the road as you suggested". IMO at that point he gave consent to PvP
By keeping it in character proper wording and suggestions can get you the answers you need without ruining the suspense by spamming mass tells back and forth wasting the climax of the moment
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ovarf
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Rule 8
Feb 5, 2009 20:10:58 GMT -5
Post by ovarf on Feb 5, 2009 20:10:58 GMT -5
8. If your going to get into Player vs Player for ANY reason, be it racism, threats, ANY sort of conflict, offer them an OOC out of the situation, its ok to warn them that the next conflict is unavoidable, we dont want to limit RP but consideration should be used.
9. Some people don’t like PVP period and are uncomfortable with it, if someone says they don’t like PVP do NOT force it on them, forcing PVP on someone who told you they don’t want it is very bad.
So far the general feel of this discussion seems to be out of sorts with the statements made in these 2 rules by a fairly wide margin. If a good RP reason trumps 9 then that should be stated clearly and if rule 8 only applies sometimes that should also be addressed in the rules. Players new to the game should believe that all the rules are treated equally if you want them to follow them.
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Rule 8
Feb 5, 2009 20:45:14 GMT -5
Post by Erulaan D'Anhoor on Feb 5, 2009 20:45:14 GMT -5
Character actions and words are consent for PvP.
All this pertains to my character Erulaan...
I am never going to send a character a tell and ask if its ok before I attack. Then again, I do not attack without provocation.
Insult me and I may attack.
Hint at attacking me and I may attack
Threaten me or my fellow adventurers and I may attack.
Speak to me as if you are greater than I and I might attack.
Don't give me reason to be hostile and I won't attack...unless I have valid RP reason to do so.
I like the idea of logging in and setting every player on the server to hostile. That way they know not to cross me...
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mrdeadman
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Rule 8
Feb 6, 2009 0:00:55 GMT -5
Post by mrdeadman on Feb 6, 2009 0:00:55 GMT -5
Right on Eru...
This is metagamed a lot as well. Oh, I can mouth off to and say whatever to whoever I want and not pay the price because I didn't consent to PvP. If you make the down payment don't be shocked when the bill comes.
And yes, I am signed in on the PvP consent thread.
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ovarf
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Rule 8
Feb 6, 2009 0:22:38 GMT -5
Post by ovarf on Feb 6, 2009 0:22:38 GMT -5
so if i read this right if someone dose something you don't like they have consented to PvP regardless of the the 2 rules that expressly forbid that sort of behavior, so long as it's "justified" in RP.
if that's the case why bother having the PvP rules at all?
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Rule 8
Feb 6, 2009 1:54:41 GMT -5
Post by luna on Feb 6, 2009 1:54:41 GMT -5
so if i read this right if someone dose something you don't like they have consented to PvP regardless of the the 2 rules that expressly forbid that sort of behavior, so long as it's "justified" in RP. Do you see any postings from staff here saying do what you want for PvP and ignore rule 8 & 9 ? I don't...
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mrdeadman
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Rule 8
Feb 6, 2009 2:01:25 GMT -5
Post by mrdeadman on Feb 6, 2009 2:01:25 GMT -5
so if i read this right if someone dose something you don't like they have consented to PvP regardless of the the 2 rules that expressly forbid that sort of behavior, so long as it's "justified" in RP. if that's the case why bother having the PvP rules at all? If that's what you got out of it, then no, you are not reading it right. You are putting you own slanted spin on it. I'm saying that if someone comes up to one of my characters acting belligerently and threateningly then they are asking to be thrashed about the head and shoulder severely. And that when that happens they have ZERO right to call foul. To head off any more assumption on your part, I also didn't say that I would immediately start said thrashing. In previous posts I have said you will be set to hostile first. We'll call that warning one and should be taken as, you are heading down a dangerous road, continue at your own peril. I will RP the situation further after that and vocalize that the road you are taking is a dangerous path. I am not above diplomacy. After trying to talk whoever out of continuing their actions said thrashing will commence. Plenty of warning. Plenty of chance to drop the bad idea and walk away. So again, after all that, if I beat you down, like I said, you have ZERO right to call foul. If you really want to hear something funny, I have only once been involved in a PvP situation on this server. That was when my 8th level fighter called a epic level drow a shrimp. It was less PvP and more I got blasted the crap out of me. Also, you know what, I got back up sixty seconds later and went on with my business. No harm no foul.
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Rule 8
Feb 6, 2009 2:29:14 GMT -5
Post by hnefi on Feb 6, 2009 2:29:14 GMT -5
But mrdeadman, what you describe is explicitly against rule #8: "If your [sic] going to get into Player vs Player for ANY reason, be it racism, threats, ANY sort of conflict, offer them an OOC out of the situation, its ok to warn them that the next conflict is unavoidable, we dont want to limit RP but consideration should be used." (emphasis mine).
Personally, I think that the only regulation needed on PvP given that there are no punishments for losing should be that you can't fight the same character twice in a RL day. I think IC warnings should be enough, and so do obviously most players who have posted here, but that's against the rules as they are now.
If I misinterpreted the rule, perhaps it could be rewritten to be more clear.
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Rule 8
Feb 6, 2009 3:45:49 GMT -5
Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Feb 6, 2009 3:45:49 GMT -5
Personally, I think the rule needs to be rewritten because we have had people who want to RP whatever it is they want, then say they won't do PvP. That's what I call "fair weather RP". One only RPs as long as the situation is favorable. So I'd like the rule basically to apply to those who just go on the server to grind and do not want to RP and do not want to be noticed by others.
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ovarf
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Rule 8
Feb 6, 2009 4:54:16 GMT -5
Post by ovarf on Feb 6, 2009 4:54:16 GMT -5
I don't really care how the rule is worded, just pointing out that most the players who have posted here have explicitly stated that they will indeed ignore rule 8 and 9 if they feel its RP justified. If it was put in as is for a reason then it should be enforced and if for whatever reason that is no longer valid then it should be changed to reflect that reality.
Personally I think its a good rule as is and I think way to many people in online Rps think that they are justified in killing players at very slight provocations. If you want to play it that way fine but then the Fist should come down like a hammer on the players that murder someone for being "mouthy". Also leave or I will kill you is not an OOC out its a demand that I get to be here and you have no right to play where I am. All the talk of metagameing and mouthy also seems to ignore the fact that most cultures will jail or execute the person who attacked first.
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Feb 6, 2009 5:22:17 GMT -5
Post by drachii on Feb 6, 2009 5:22:17 GMT -5
'Course, if you attack/kill someone with noone else around it's a bit different =p
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Rule 8
Feb 6, 2009 9:57:30 GMT -5
Post by broham2 on Feb 6, 2009 9:57:30 GMT -5
PvP doesnt always mean murder. I've 'killed' people with my bare hands and RP'd it as knocking them out in a fist fight, etc.
You can't RP a bad ass in someone's face and then not expect to be called out on it. I think once you engage in hostile RP, and you are given IC warnings about your actions, that is warning enough to be within the rules.
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Rule 8
Feb 6, 2009 13:12:47 GMT -5
Post by luna on Feb 6, 2009 13:12:47 GMT -5
Maybe full xp loss should be used on PvP.
I can't really say I understand why there is no loss of anything in a PvP death??
People may think twice about PvP if standard death xp was applied.
Because on the other hand, people may be a bit to willing to do PvP right now since there is no penatly at all.
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Rule 8
Feb 6, 2009 13:23:18 GMT -5
Post by broham2 on Feb 6, 2009 13:23:18 GMT -5
Is there really a prob with PvP right now? I guess I havent heard of any issues, whether it be people too anxious or too hesitant.
It seems like its working well to me?
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Rule 8
Feb 6, 2009 13:54:46 GMT -5
Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Feb 6, 2009 13:54:46 GMT -5
Maybe full xp loss should be used on PvP. I can't really say I understand why there is no loss of anything in a PvP death?? People may think twice about PvP if standard death xp was applied. Because on the other hand, people may be a bit to willing to do PvP right now since there is no penatly at all. Wouldn't work because there would be the players who just beat up on the little guys for the fun of it. It would mean a whole lot more work for the DMs.
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