ovarf
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Feb 5, 2009 14:05:13 GMT -5
Post by ovarf on Feb 5, 2009 14:05:13 GMT -5
and this is a perfect example of why it needs to be clear.
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ovarf
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Feb 5, 2009 14:08:08 GMT -5
Post by ovarf on Feb 5, 2009 14:08:08 GMT -5
the rule as it stands now dose not cater to the PvP RP player and there seems to be some PCs that want to ignore it. Is that ok?
What point is there to have the rule as written if anyone who can justifies it in RP can ignore it?
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Feb 5, 2009 14:08:33 GMT -5
Post by luna on Feb 5, 2009 14:08:33 GMT -5
Although personally i don't know what all the fuss is about considering ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAPPENS if you get killed in pvp. For the most part you are right. Problems tend to arise when some dummy goes and picks on a player and repeatedly kills said player. Then the OOC griefing starts and it's just another head-ache for staff to deal with. Thats why pretty much all servers have PvP rules.
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Feb 5, 2009 14:26:56 GMT -5
Post by adzling on Feb 5, 2009 14:26:56 GMT -5
yar griefing is doltish.
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Feb 5, 2009 15:07:04 GMT -5
Post by Zealote on Feb 5, 2009 15:07:04 GMT -5
Of course I would never attack a PC without reason. But even when the rule says PvP must have consent, if you call a barbarian stupid or retarded, he might kill you. Would be lame to be all like: Uh...what did you say? I will kill you! And walk away. If you dont want to engage PvP, dont RP like you want to. Another example: You play a Banite. You speak with my paladin and tell him that you are a banite. My paladin will try to arrest you. If you resist the arrest, he will kill you. Just for being a priest of Bane. If you dont like PvP, dont tell me you're a banite. Just walk away. If you steal from my characters, they will kill you. But since my characters are good or neutral, dont expect any type of PvP without RP. But I take any PvP if you want to attack me. I dont need a tell or even RP. If you're playing a chaotic evil assassin that like to kill random people and wants to attack me, just do it. I wont be mad. Just set me to hostile.
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ovarf
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Feb 5, 2009 15:39:09 GMT -5
Post by ovarf on Feb 5, 2009 15:39:09 GMT -5
well the way the rule reads it seems fairly clear that you must get consent or you are in violation of the rule.
If that is not the case then update the rule.
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Feb 5, 2009 15:45:35 GMT -5
Post by Zealote on Feb 5, 2009 15:45:35 GMT -5
Well, imho, if you need consent to RP PvP, then you need consent to call my Barbarian idiot, or consent to PP me, consent to play a Banite in front of a Paladin of Tyr. Some situations can be resolved with good sense. PvP is the only way for some situations. If you dont like, dont go there. Thats just my opinion
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ovarf
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Feb 5, 2009 17:06:53 GMT -5
Post by ovarf on Feb 5, 2009 17:06:53 GMT -5
I don't think everyone would agree with you but then the same can said about my views.
PvP ,regardless of the actual penalty, is one of the biggest headaches for DMs to mediate and is fairly emotionally charged for a lot of players. Clear rules of engagement are there to help facilitate productive PvP.
If players feel they can just do whatever they think their PC would do RP then that is fine but unless the rules reflect that reality people are going to get upset and it will course issues.
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Feb 5, 2009 17:23:46 GMT -5
Post by DM kelsfar on Feb 5, 2009 17:23:46 GMT -5
Yes there is no xp lose in pvp and OHH NOO can't have contact with the player that killed me for 24 hours!!! lol. I think its a pride thing that people gripe when getting PK'd. *Shrugs* I don't know, me personally have been PK'd atleast six times without warning and I shrugged it off and went about business elswhere. I look at it this way for pvp, 1) it's a fantasy game (and JUST a game) 2) In a world setting where monsters lurk at every corner and Evil roams almost un checked you have to expect every once and a while getting whacked when you take a stroll through the woods near an evil temple by an evil player. I'm not justifying merciless PKing just cause your Evil but we are all grown ups (Speaks for most). My sugestion to all is if you see a shady character dressed in shady armor with a shady name then Uh-Duh head the other way lol.
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mrdeadman
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Feb 5, 2009 17:47:18 GMT -5
Post by mrdeadman on Feb 5, 2009 17:47:18 GMT -5
If you start talking smack and threatening my characters, guess what? You just consented to PvP. It's not like you can walk into a biker bar in real life, talk smack and when you ass is getting beat say, "I didn't consent to this."
And I have to agree with adz... NOTHING happens from PvP you lose no XP, no items, no gold, nothing! 60 seconds of time that's it. Well, maybe a little pride. But, the humility you can gain could be priceless.
Now, if someone is talking smack to me and starts buffing, you just initiated combat. My characters don't know what you are casting and it could be targeting them. You will not get a chance to cast the second buff, so be prepared ahead of time.
Actually, you may get a chance to get the second buff off while I set you to hostile if it hasn't been done already. But, you wont get a third off.
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ovarf
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Feb 5, 2009 18:24:22 GMT -5
Post by ovarf on Feb 5, 2009 18:24:22 GMT -5
so sounds like a bunch of people saying I don't like the rule it dose not fit into how i want to RP so i will ignore it.
Can I do the same with rule 14 if i have a good RP reason for it? No. So why should this rule be any different?
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ovarf
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Feb 5, 2009 18:30:11 GMT -5
Post by ovarf on Feb 5, 2009 18:30:11 GMT -5
If this is how people want the rule to work then write it that way is all i am saying.
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Feb 5, 2009 18:43:13 GMT -5
Post by DEV Akavit on Feb 5, 2009 18:43:13 GMT -5
The people that find sending OOC tells to be annoying can sign up on the PvP club thread.
The reason why I consider pick-pocketing someone to be auto-consent for PvP is because that is PvP. A pick-pocket is actually taking gold away from another player. For this reason it is only fair that the victim should be able to strike down the thief if the attempt is noticed. People who don't want to PvP should not be PvP'ing themselves.
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ovarf
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Feb 5, 2009 18:56:12 GMT -5
Post by ovarf on Feb 5, 2009 18:56:12 GMT -5
and when one of them attacks someone not in it?
Not everyone agrees with what others think of as justifiable reasons to RP PvP without consent.
Is asking that the exceptions which there seem to be a lot of now be put in one place somehow unreasonable?
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Feb 5, 2009 18:57:56 GMT -5
Post by DEV Akavit on Feb 5, 2009 18:57:56 GMT -5
and when one of them attacks someone not in it? The idea is to get enough people to sign up so we can PvP amongst ourselves. Those that don't sign up just miss out on all the fun.
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