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Post by astralwyvern on Oct 1, 2008 9:02:10 GMT -5
Ice has made the best point so far. Some of you have not IMO been talking about true PBs. If you take 1 class of something, and focus on another, then you are not a true PB. There are official requirements that are agreed upon in the DnD community as to what a true power build is. There is even a Mod to see if you qualify. Furthermore, the RDD class has been banned. As happy and as sad as I am, I am the only one left playing a 10th Level RDD. I should mention that my PC is not a true power build and I RP her abilities. If I were to balance her, as some of you say at my level, then she would actually be stronger. Let's not go into the RDD thing please; it is no longer applicable. I should mention that on this server most PB designs will never truly shine. Again I must reiterate, almost all power builds are between 4-5 classes. The ones that are not rely on equipment not found on this server. BTW my PC is not a goddess. She can be killed by skeletons ganging up on her, giants hitting her, high level buffed PCs, and beholders blasting her. It takes careful planing and often team work to handle them. I really do not want to see 5 class PBs running around taking everything. That would suck. I also do not want to see high xp penalties ether for the RPers. If we end up placing the xp penalties, then the high level casters will probably become the favored classes. I still like the idea of a 3 class cap, unless everyone agrees to be responsible and have a good time. One more thing. NO MORE EVIL DROW PBs! Edit: Look at ICE's new avatar Edit: You should have made the first question more subtle. Now the people that would pick that will never say it.
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Post by DM haunted on Oct 1, 2008 9:16:36 GMT -5
Drow powerbuilds are easy to do as are Assamirs.
Maybe it is not a class cap that is needed here ,perhaps some races need to be closed. Now that soon the Underdark will be implemented , there is now a place for the UD races , thus now a rarity to the surface realm.So no need to close them.
As for planetouched , well , I think they need to be closed and applied for with suitable RP,bio,and back story.These races , realistically , are a rarity among the Faerunian populace. Same goes for the Warlock class,rare!
Another thing that can help, is required domains for clerics. Clerics should have to choose 2 out of the how many domains their deity governs. Example : Talosion clerics should choose 2 of the following domains Air,Chaos,Fury,Evil,Fire and Destruction.
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Post by Zealote on Oct 1, 2008 12:23:09 GMT -5
Hey look! The fighter/bard/RDD/Earth Genasi is coming to get me! *casts Bigby's crazy grabbing hand* Oh he stoppped....odd.... *Casts Isaac's Greater Missile Strom* Ops, he's dead.... Hey look! The monk/cleric is coming to get me! *casts implosion* Ops, he's dead too..... Hey look! The sorc/paladin is coming to get me! *Uses hips and knockdown* Aww doesnt he look cute laying there?
Or... Hey look! All PBs are coming to get me! *Rolls Bluff* 13+12=25 My name is Tyr! PBs: *Rolls Bluff* 1+20=21 Ok sire, sorry to bother you. *Goes and find another player to bother*
Zeal
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Oct 1, 2008 13:01:32 GMT -5
Well, the only way I'll come across a power build is by accident. If I do, fine. If not, fine. I come here for RP, so it doesn't really matter to me so long as they are not used to crush others constantly.
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Post by DM haunted on Oct 1, 2008 16:42:38 GMT -5
Hey look! The fighter/bard/RDD/Earth Genasi is coming to get me! *casts Bigby's crazy grabbing hand* Oh he stoppped....odd.... *Casts Isaac's Greater Missile Strom* Ops, he's dead.... Hey look! The monk/cleric is coming to get me! *casts implosion* Ops, he's dead too..... Hey look! The sorc/paladin is coming to get me! *Uses hips and knockdown* Aww doesnt he look cute laying there? Or... Hey look! All PBs are coming to get me! *Rolls Bluff* 13+12=25 My name is Tyr! PBs: *Rolls Bluff* 1+20=21 Ok sire, sorry to bother you. *Goes and find another player to bother* Zeal lMAO , A PERFECT example of cheese.This is the non responsible PB.
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Post by amwyth on Oct 1, 2008 23:59:31 GMT -5
How about instead of limiting PBs, why not simply decide that if you take a different class you must take at least five levels in that class. Having to take five levels in Bard might deter Power Builders. Although Arcane Archers might suffer. Just an idea.
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Post by DEV Akavit on Oct 2, 2008 0:34:45 GMT -5
I would like to point out one thing about the Hide in Plain Sight feat. One reason why it is likely used so much is because it is the only way to obtain invisibility in this server. The bandit (Gandy) that I am building will have one level of shadowdancer so he can actually hide (meaning really hide) from other players. If regular stealth mode and invisibility spells worked properly, then the shadowdancer exploit would probably be used less often.
But all things considered, I would not care to see too many regulations set in place regarding character classes. They would succeed in stopping over-powered builds but at the cost of limiting one's ability to create highly unique characters.
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Post by davidb on Oct 2, 2008 9:05:27 GMT -5
If anything has to be implemented, it should be easy and simple to script and understand. Somethink like:
a) no plane touched races, no drow, except with permission of staff. b) XP bonus of 10% for some pure classes like figther and rogue , if they remain pure. c) XP penalty for multiclassing *except* prestige classes. d) prestige classes require staff permission e) some combos should be forbidden right away. PAL-SOR comes to mind.
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Post by DM haunted on Oct 2, 2008 9:07:01 GMT -5
I would like to point out one thing about the Hide in Plain Sight feat. One reason why it is likely used so much is because it is the only way to obtain invisibility in this server. The bandit (Gandy) that I am building will have one level of shadowdancer so he can actually hide (meaning really hide) from other players. If regular stealth mode and invisibility spells worked properly, then the shadowdancer exploit would probably be used less often. But all things considered, I would not care to see too many regulations set in place regarding character classes. They would succeed in stopping over-powered builds but at the cost of limiting one's ability to create highly unique characters. HIPs for SD should really be moved to like 5th level or 6th Level SD to prevent peeps from taking the class just for the feat.Either way you need high ranks of Hide and MS for stealth to work properly. Stealth should be rped more IMO as well.Mainly because the unrealistic way Obsidian has it setup. How in the NINE can someone not be spotted when you are standing next to them in the middle of a field for example.I can understand if the grass is tall ,but if not,the skill should be rped out. By this , I mean , at least a MS and Hide roll on the person you are trying to sneak.Allowing them their rolls of listen and spot.
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Post by astralwyvern on Oct 2, 2008 9:47:54 GMT -5
If anything has to be implemented, it should be easy and simple to script and understand. Somethink like: a) no plane touched races, no drow, except with permission of staff. d) prestige classes require staff permission A) The underdark is coming. Drow = yes. D) If the PW gets any bigger, and it will, then the staff would be over tasked. They do enough already oking maybe up to 600 prestige classes over the course of time seems a bit much.
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Post by davidb on Oct 2, 2008 10:46:05 GMT -5
A) The underdark is coming. Drow = yes. If underdark = coming, then drow = coming. Just not here yet. You have a point here. Then simply ban a few ones, like RDD which really adds nothing and is completely unbalanced. "Unbalanced" means much more powerful in a PvP computer environment, which is not what the dnd 3.5 designers had in mind when the classes were written. It's good gor a PnP RPG that some classes and races are more competitive than others, true; but when you bring those rules to a PvP PW, some house ruling are needed. Damn, house rules are *always* used even in PnP games.
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Post by otomotetsuo on Oct 2, 2008 11:01:09 GMT -5
House Rules = Yes. No trolls on the couch! ;D
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Post by astralwyvern on Oct 2, 2008 11:07:13 GMT -5
The question is: how do you make a power baker build? Who wants some cake?
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Post by DM haunted on Oct 2, 2008 12:12:08 GMT -5
If anything has to be implemented, it should be easy and simple to script and understand. Somethink like: a) no plane touched races, no drow, except with permission of staff. d) prestige classes require staff permission A) The underdark is coming. Drow = yes. D) If the PW gets any bigger, and it will, then the staff would be over tasked. They do enough already oking maybe up to 600 prestige classes over the course of time seems a bit much. Maybe certain Prc's should require permission. And some should require certain requirements. To list a few: Stormlord : permission required and permitted due to successful RP. Requirements:PNP based , Must worship Talos ,non-lawful , and survive being struck by lightning ,but this last isnt really needed. Red Wizard of Thay : Permission required and permitted due to successful rp.Requirements: Must be Thayan. Shadow Thief of Amn : Permission required and permitted due to successful rp. Harper Agent : Permission and permitted through successful rp. RDD: Permission and permitted through successful rp
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Post by astralwyvern on Oct 2, 2008 12:14:42 GMT -5
*Throws flaming power baked pies at everyone*
*Getting ready for the flame war*
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