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Post by DM blessedone on Sept 19, 2008 8:59:54 GMT -5
Well, I do not know about a script for it, but, I fully support trying out a server rule (House Rules for you old school's out there ) or two on certain things that players have had slight/major missunderstandings with. I believe this would at least give the upper hand to the DM's with the problem of those who may not wish to RP it out and then go stealing everything they can. If they do decide to go and steal without the RP, and there is no rules against it yet, then I can see where you most likely will get your arse beat down...without RP....NOT KEWL.... The example I give is as follows (this did not really happen BTW) - Thief comes near me, does not say a word and I happen to have my inventory up. I notice coin/potion/Tower Shield is gone, I roll for a Spot or whatever. I tell them to step back as I step back and they stay there, not saying a word, they do not roll for whatever they need to roll for and then I notice that I am missing my sword/more coin and frekkin backpack!, and still, no roll from them......This is the time that a can O'.....yeah.....is opened up. Or should that be the time that I take a Screen Shot of the situation and a list of the items taken and report to the DM? The other side to that, and I can hear it already for some who are reading this, is, 'This is an RP Lite server, why do they have to implement rules on my RP?'. Well, my answer to that would be, unfortunately there are a multitude of people in the world who will take advantage of anything they can. They see a loop-hole and jump right through it. See above story. Just because you RP your thief well and do not PP 40 times in a roll, does not mean that every thief will be RP'd in the same manner. Should it become more of a problem than it is, then surely they will implement one of these ideas here to keep it enjoyable for most on the server. I suggested a 'Server Rule' because it is a quick and easy way to enforce a rule against those who PP 40 times in a roll and do not even RP it out instead of having to find a script, make sure it works and does not cause more problems and so on. *NOTE - Let us always remember, the DM's and all others involved in making this PW what it is, cannot make every single person on this server happy. They have provided a wonderful place for all to enjoy, but, we as the PC's will have to learn to play well with others.......
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Post by derf on Sept 19, 2008 9:07:52 GMT -5
There are ways to script it to prevent it from being done more than once in a specified time.
One would be to store the time in a variable whenever a thief attempts a PP, and the next time the player attempts to pick pocket, first check to see if enough time has elapsed since they last tried and if not return false other wise just update the variable with the current time and let it continue as normal.
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Post by atlas on Sept 19, 2008 14:07:52 GMT -5
I think there should be a script that makes it so you can only steal a potion or a handful of gold coins or a gem. I just think it's detrimental if theres thieves running around stealing peoples super magical rings and other small but invaluable objects.
Stealing from Npc's is another thing though and so long as it's not unrealistic like a set of fullplate then goodluck to them.
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Post by akasha on Sept 19, 2008 16:32:49 GMT -5
How would I know for sure if someone stole from me?
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Post by davidb on Sept 19, 2008 16:34:53 GMT -5
Guys, now that you're scripting, please also consider a limit to the gold that can be pickpocketed. Finding all of a sudden that you don't have any longer 50.000 gold is alittle weird.
Like max 25% of gold, or max 100gold x skill.
For both realism AND balance.
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Post by DM blessedone on Sept 20, 2008 7:34:44 GMT -5
How would I know for sure if someone stole from me? Well, and this is a good question...when it comes to a little coin it can be RP'd...but, some of the extreme cases they speak of here are items like Armor, Shields and so on. Not some small item that may not be noticed at first. Even in PNP 3.5, sleight of hand requires a spot check to be made by the opposing PC. Even then, it is a DC 10 for a COIN sized object. There is a DC 20 for a SMALL sized object.....Now, this spot check can be made if the Thief is under watch at a +4 bonus to the observer and at a +10 on the DC for the Thief to try again..... Sure, the first time you get some coin, now you're being watched because something is amiss here and you have asked them to step back, now, they try again under watch, and we get a Spot check vs PP at a +4 and you have a +10 on the DC....VOILA.....Rolling the die and playing the Role has its place. The example they have been giving would make the DC on a suit of Plate Mail on the 3rd attempt to be a DC of AT LEAST 44 and really should be more......Does the DC take place in NWN as it does in PNP, I do not know. Again, this falls under something I spoke of in another post when it comes to (what I would consider) 'good' RP.....Game Mechanics.........
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Post by davidb on Sept 20, 2008 16:32:50 GMT -5
How would I know for sure if someone stole from me? The example they have been giving would make the DC on a suit of Plate Mail on the 3rd attempt to be a DC of AT LEAST 44 and really should be more......Does the DC take place in NWN as it does in PNP, I do not know. Again, this falls under something I spoke of in another post when it comes to (what I would consider) 'good' RP.....Game Mechanics......... mmm why 44? it should NOT be possible, period. you CAN NOT undress someone from their iron pants without him noticing. Simple as that. That's not pickpocketing, no picking, no pocket, NOT pickpocketing. you CAN NOT take a sword from a warrior's hand with pickpocket. That would be a disarm. It's not about what CD it has, it's about pickpocketing NOT being for that use. If you think otherwise, please provide CD for pickpocketing someone of his vital organs. That would be an instant perma death attack really cool for Slith to perform. And if undressing someone of his plate armor without him noticing is possible, where's the limit?
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Post by DM blessedone on Sept 20, 2008 17:01:35 GMT -5
No, no. I was not saying that is should be allowed. LOL, I was trying to give an example of how crazy it is and how it is being done when clearly the rules in PNP do not allow for it. I do not condone the theft of such items like that no matter the alleged "DC" involving the NWN Game Mechanics and such. It is just plain not realistic. If you read my post, then, you saw that I quoted the rules of the PNP version and such and made sure to highlight certain words like: coin sized object / small sized object as well as starting the post off with an example of EXTREME CASES that abuse the GAME MECHANICS. That quote was taken out of context. The post as a whole should present the idea that, a script or limitation should be in place...not that it should be allowed to happen at free without limitations.
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Post by davidb on Sept 20, 2008 17:39:47 GMT -5
No, no. I was not saying that is should be allowed. LOL, I was trying to give an example of how crazy it is and how it is being done when clearly the rules in PNP do not allow for it. I do not condone the theft of such items like that no matter the alleged "DC" involving the NWN Game Mechanics and such. It is just plain not realistic. If you read my post, then, you saw that I quoted the rules of the PNP version and such and made sure to highlight certain words like: coin sized object / small sized object as well as starting the post off with an example of EXTREME CASES that abuse the GAME MECHANICS. That quote was taken out of context. The post as a whole should present the idea that, a script or limitation should be in place...not that it should be allowed to happen at free without limitations. Heh, sorry then, mate. I see what you try to say. Still, what I wrote is a message for those saying there should be no limit to this skill.
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Post by DM blessedone on Sept 20, 2008 17:50:45 GMT -5
No worries! ;D I agree with ya though on your point of the overall issue at hand.
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Post by Iceshard on Sept 20, 2008 18:34:19 GMT -5
Um, on SoH I had a PP skill of 55 or more... at level 15... so 100 gold x skill would still result in you missing quite a large chunk of coin. As for the other PP situations given.. you are correct you will notice being stripped, though sometimes you find that RL thief that can take the watch off your wrist in a handshake and you wont even notice it...*shrugs* but taking full plate or swords from hands...yeah who wouldnt notice that..
Even Ray Charles could see that! I make the thing do what it do! *shakes head around in upwards movement*
-Ice
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Post by DM blessedone on Sept 21, 2008 20:42:34 GMT -5
but taking full plate or swords from hands...yeah who wouldnt notice that.. Even Ray Charles could see that! -Ice OH.....MY......Now, that is the best example yet!!
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Post by Val32 on Sept 21, 2008 23:12:48 GMT -5
A lot of good advice and reparte'...glad I brought it up...I think there has even been drop in crime since the post started ;D
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Sept 21, 2008 23:18:45 GMT -5
A lot of good advice and reparte'...glad I brought it up...I think there has even been drop in crime since the post started ;D AND an increase in bounty hunters. ;D
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Post by davidb on Sept 22, 2008 3:09:57 GMT -5
Um, on SoH I had a PP skill of 55 or more... at level 15... so 100 gold x skill would still result in you missing quite a large chunk of coin. -Ice LOL, I am not familiar with rogue development, but how did you get to 55???
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