maximvs
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Post by maximvs on Jan 23, 2009 14:49:13 GMT -5
Not exactly a rant or anything, Id just like to point out the fact that everytime matsuo gets in jail, he risk getting ducked xp and loss of gold, and even perhaps perma death.
That being pointed out, people like to chase evil beings and bring them to justice! something fun, no doubt about it, for me as much as for you.
I just wanted to say to everyone that if someone gets influenced by the thought of bringing Matsuo to justice, and pretend to recognise him right away or anything like that, even if he s in a full silver shining plate, with a full helm, bear-less and not casting clerical spells, just because the name Matsuo hover over this little halfling, I will simply log off in your face.
So please, try to take little details in considerations!
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Post by broham2 on Jan 23, 2009 15:00:14 GMT -5
I think adding the fact that he brandishes a Bane symbol in your character description certainly makes it difficult for people to NOT immediately recognize that you worship Bane.
Is there a way of getting that removed? Perhaps you should post in the character-fix thread?
It's hard to read a description that describes a Bane symbol and then conclude that the writer of the description wants you to NOT play with that knowledge.
That said.. my character wouldnt give two shits if you were a Bane worshipper.. its just something I noticed when interacting with you a while back.
ON EDIT: I use disguises with my main character as well and have had a few issues.. only one of which was not squared away with a tell though. So I feel your pain, just use a tell to let them know.
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Post by DEV Akavit on Jan 23, 2009 15:00:41 GMT -5
If someone tries to recognize your disguised halfling without good reason, try sending a tell. I find that this usually resolves issues. Of course it could be that they know Flail will likely squish them anyway if they insist on attacking him.
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Post by Zealote on Jan 23, 2009 15:16:21 GMT -5
The only time I interacted with Matsuo was with Valek, paladin of Tyr and Knight of Holy Judgment. I didnt read your description (I dont do it to avoid meta on CR) untill you told me too. And you openly told Valek you were banite. I acted as expected for a paladin of Tyr. Well, not quite, because I should've killed you right there...lol. But that violates the PvP agreement. Dont worry though, I will never meta to get him again. Unless you speak openly about being a banite...who knows? ;D
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Post by loudent2 on Jan 23, 2009 16:38:36 GMT -5
Id just like to point out the fact that everytime matsuo gets in jail, he risk getting ducked xp and loss of gold, and even perhaps perma death. Are only evil characters subject to this? Or, do good characters that attempt to bring you to justance and are defeated also suffer this?
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ovarf
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Post by ovarf on Jan 23, 2009 16:50:23 GMT -5
I know a lot of palyers talk about how they are "disguised" I would just like to point out that a change of clothing dose not make a disguise unless your face is covered I will not view it as "meta" to be able to realize who someone is by their Face (which amounts to in game as the name over their head) assuming one is close enuf to see a face.
This game has limitations but I think it only fair to make players that are claiming a disguise ability that they somehow magically get when they don't want to be recognized to have to cover their face.
Not tring to be hostile thou as i re read it its sounds that way, just also think that if your tring to hide your aperence then you should be the one making that clear i shouldn't have to be the one guessing your intentions.
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Post by broham2 on Jan 23, 2009 17:13:03 GMT -5
Speaking of limitations, there are.. hmm.. maybe 6-7 faces per race (if that?) and perhaps 30 people online at any one time? In all ‘reality’ there are thousands of people that live in BG, probably nearing a hundred on the roads close by at any one time.. a multitude of races, faces, and voices. Yet, because of game limitations you see my name, one face, and one person standing on the middle of the road.
Now, I am not going to argue the fact that those that wish to be ‘disguised’ should have separate clothing and a mask, but you make it seem like if you see me in passing one day you are going to remember me for all time.. and unless you are photographicmemoryman I don’t think that would be the case.
And for the record, I haven’t once met someone that wasn’t masked/helmed that was saying they were in a disguise… except flail… he took OFF the helm and was in disguise. Ha ha.
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Jan 23, 2009 17:22:17 GMT -5
Id just like to point out the fact that everytime matsuo gets in jail, he risk getting ducked xp and loss of gold, and even perhaps perma death. Are only evil characters subject to this? Or, do good characters that attempt to bring you to justance and are defeated also suffer this? This isn't done that often, but yes, generally the evil ones incur the penalty. One reason is that some evil PCs gain monetarily by their actions, whereas the good ones do not (in other words, the Flaming Fist gets no gold for capturing a criminal, though they do get something for their heavy RP). Secondly, there is no fun in being a criminal if one knows that there is no possibility of losing something if caught. I certainly wouldn't play one if I knew I was free no matter how many times the Fist jailed me.
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Post by DEV Akavit on Jan 23, 2009 17:23:44 GMT -5
Id just like to point out the fact that everytime matsuo gets in jail, he risk getting ducked xp and loss of gold, and even perhaps perma death. Are only evil characters subject to this? Or, do good characters that attempt to bring you to justance and are defeated also suffer this? Perma-death for an evil PC has only occurred once as a punishment for repeatedly ignoring one of the PW rules. It is possible that the DMs might impose a small gold or xp penalty in some circumstances - most likely in the case of PC's that rob or pickpocket others. This is simply because it can get frustrating to players to keep losing their gold and items to evil PC's and have absolutely no way to retaliate. A penalty encourages caution so that players don't steal brazenly while secure in the knowledge that they will keep gaining loot no matter how often they get caught. I know a lot of palyers talk about how they are "disguised" I would just like to point out that a change of clothing dose not make a disguise unless your face is covered I will not view it as "meta" to be able to realize who someone is by their Face (which amounts to in game as the name over their head) assuming one is close enuf to see a face. This game has limitations but I think it only fair to make players that are claiming a disguise ability that they somehow magically get when they don't want to be recognized to have to cover their face. Not tring to be hostile thou as i re read it its sounds that way, just also think that if your tring to hide your aperence then you should be the one making that clear i shouldn't have to be the one guessing your intentions. Actually all of the players that have brought up the meta-gaming issue have indicated that their PC's were wearing face masks or full helms. Flail's disguise though, resides in taking his full helm off (along with a change of armor) as almost no one has ever seen his face.
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ovarf
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Post by ovarf on Jan 23, 2009 17:31:33 GMT -5
If its not a full faced closed helm or something very close if I have meet you before and interacted with you then Yes I will know who you are.
Even with a full face helm and different clothing I think it stretches credibility to say that they could interact with people and not be recognized by people that had interacted with them before.
People are not baffled by a change in clothing even in people that they know only in passing.
Should someone that has never interacted with or seen the PC be able to know of course not. But someone with a bounty picture being sent out to search the guy out should have a shot at figuring it out.
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Post by DEV Jlf2n on Jan 23, 2009 17:34:13 GMT -5
I will simply log off in your face. Ahahah. Thats one of the funniest lines I've read on this forum. I don't know why but that cracked me up. And to the other poster, If your wondering what happens to thieves who rile the whole Coast up against them, visit the Flaming Fist Prison.
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Post by broham2 on Jan 23, 2009 17:38:11 GMT -5
If its not a full faced closed helm or something very close if I have meet you before and interacted with you then Yes I will know who you are. Even with a full face helm and different clothing I think it stretches credibility to say that they could interact with people and not be recognized by people that had interacted with them before. People are not baffled by a change in clothing even in people that they know only in passing. Should someone that has never interacted with or seen the PC be able to know of course not. But someone with a bounty picture being sent out to search the guy out should have a shot at figuring it out. Ok, well I have a hood and a mask. and if you try to identify me it will be your funeral. Muah ha ha ha.
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ovarf
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Post by ovarf on Jan 23, 2009 17:46:31 GMT -5
so I could run into town murder the duke put on a mask and change cloths and that is it I am now someone else; and in addition I get to cry meta gaming anytime someone claims to recognize me.
good to know.
If your going to claim a power to become someone else shouldn't there at least be a contested roll instead of you getting to decide it just works and anyone that disagrees with you opinion is "meta gaming" ?
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Jan 23, 2009 17:48:41 GMT -5
so I could run into town murder the duke put on a mask and change cloths and that is it I am now someone else; and in addition I get to cry meta gaming anytime someone claims to recognize me. good to know. You could try, but the Duke would have you in chains. You'd have to cry meta-game in your prison cell.
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Post by Erulaan D'Anhoor on Jan 23, 2009 18:37:12 GMT -5
Can't we just have expectations that fall within the game engine?
Next thing I am going to read is how somebody who is very tall, brawny, ugly and clearly a half orc, is going to claim they are really an elf with a thyroid condition, and they will "log off in your face" if they are not properly recognized as such...
cmon people
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