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Post by DEV Akavit on Jan 23, 2009 20:49:54 GMT -5
can't it be assumed that the PC is asking all those hundreds of people that they are in theory hiding behind? I mean if it can work in their favor why not in the favor of the hunters as well? whats so unbalancing about this? fail the roll leave them alone done if a full helm is 100% concealment of your identity, as is being claimed, how long would it have taken the FF to outlaw full helms and masks on the road and in the city? I refer specifically to PC's wearing a mask. Various PC's including but not limited to Justin Crownsilver (after leaving the Fist), Flail, The Watcher, Sheritomo and Bigidil have roamed about wearing face masks or full helms and were never stopped and questioned as potential outlaws. Yet when a PC does commit a crime and become wanted by the law, some PC's suddenly grow suspicious of masked or helmed people and somehow manage to pinpoint the correct PC without ever bothering the others. It is only reasonable to expect some consistancy here. Unless a PC holds an attitude of suspicion against all masked PC's he really doesn't have any reason to interrogate the masked criminal.
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Post by adzling on Jan 23, 2009 21:19:06 GMT -5
wearing a full helm in town should be verboten.
the fist wouldn't stand for it and neither would any reasonable law enforcement personnel. so same thing should go for sshamath.
you have no reason to where a full helm in town.
this should go into the "courtesy in the realms" section.
Carn?!
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Post by maximvs on Jan 23, 2009 21:22:36 GMT -5
See, my most high lord, your humble servant has sprung out anger from others with a meager post! I sincerely hope this shall please you and fuel your powers.
*matsuo starts praying*
Hate, is a victory, Hate, is a victory, Oh glorious victory, that overcomes the world!
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Post by DEV Akavit on Jan 23, 2009 21:28:02 GMT -5
See, my most high lord, your humble servant has sprung out anger from others with a meager post! I sincerely hope this shall please you and fuel your powers. *matsuo starts praying* Hate, is a victory, Hate, is a victory, Oh glorious victory, that overcomes the world! Remind me to flatten Matsuo with a baalor summons when I see him ingame the next time.
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Post by Erulaan D'Anhoor on Jan 23, 2009 21:40:15 GMT -5
Sorry, but masks and feathery head adornments don't hide your identity.
If your character has done something to draw the ire of any other character, or group of characters, then be prepared to defend yourself. Don't get all "no wait, i am RPing that I had a facial, and dye job, you cannot possibly tell who I am" on us. You did it, prepare to face the consequences.
This server is RPlite to Medium, which means RP should be held primarily within the games mechanics, and not taken to extremes.
good grief, this is making my head hurt.
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Jan 23, 2009 21:52:29 GMT -5
This server is RPlite to Medium, which means RP should be held primarily within the games mechanics, and not taken to extremes RP medium. Why does everyone keep trying to reclassify the server back towards RP light? Incidentally, you have a strange interpretation of RP light/medium or whatever you call it. All it means is exactly what the server rules state: But that does NOT say that if you choose to RP, you can ignore the other person's RP (Using a disguise is a form of RP). Actually, instantly recognizing a disguised character would fall pretty close to the "ruin it for people who do" part.
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Post by earthsong on Jan 23, 2009 21:57:43 GMT -5
I think the experience yesterday worked pretty well.. Alley asked a tiefling to sheathe his sword in the city, he would not, but kept the sword bared facing her, and eventually attacked when she called for back up. Since no dm was on, and back up would have arrived, (and my comp glitched to boot) I rpd that as a knock out, but either way there was a dwarf that was there filled her in on what happened and where the tiefling ran off to. Later, following some other fists back to the gate she noticed a helmed man following them with his sword beared, and she asked why he was following them. He said he had info about the attacker, and meanwhile, was standing with the same sword pointing at her. She rolled spot on the sword, he said it was the same, so she was suspicious (but again, there may have been other swords like that..) she told the others her suspicion when they came back, and they were the ones to ask him to take off his helm. Mind you, they all died for the effort anyways, but the point is, use common sense, roll only when you actually have a suspicion that this new masked person might be involved, and go from there. If they didnt realise you were disguised at all, send them a tell. In this case, for example, I was notified that his voice was disguised as well. If Alley had better listen skills, I might have rolled against that, but I knew she couldnt tell anyways. Common sense is really key, because really, without that sword out there, I know that she wouldnt have had a clue that this man was involved. Alley would possibly followed him for info and gotten killed earlier than she did.
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Jan 23, 2009 22:07:23 GMT -5
Alley asked a tiefling to sheathe his sword in the city, he would not, but kept the sword bared facing her, and eventually attacked when she called for back up. Since no dm was on, and back up would have arrived, (and my comp glitched to boot) I rpd that as a knock out, but either way there was a dwarf that was there filled her in on what happened and where the tiefling ran off to. Just so people know, the NPC Fists would ask people to sheathe weapons in the city. Those who do not would quickly find themselves outnumbered and arrested. Opposing the Fist is fine, but nobody would do it in the city filled with them. Funny thing is, when I, as a DM-possessed Fist member, ask a PC to sheathe the weapon, the response is immediate and there are generally no questions asked. I would like this to be the response in the city whether the Fist member is a PC or an NPC because to obey only because you know a DM is around is like meta-gaming.
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Post by Zealote on Jan 23, 2009 22:51:31 GMT -5
When people meet a NPC Fist is like..Damn I think its better to listen to him! With the PC Fist is like...Damn man, piss off! Im trying to walk the road. Go bother someone else!
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Post by whenwizardswar on Jan 24, 2009 0:05:42 GMT -5
I get this problem with Karson, for awhile he never told anyone his name so subconsiously people need to provide one for their character and the name above the head is natural.
Some people...dont get it until you prompt them repeatadly and hammer it into them that they dont know your real name.
As for bane being in your description? Remove it...it causes waaayy to many headaches.
I made this mistake of includeing lore checks in my bio for telling karson is a red wizard (and even though is stated specific conditions for the lore checks) they always get over looked.
I am going to work on removeing that info as its too annoying heh.
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Post by Zealote on Jan 24, 2009 0:19:25 GMT -5
About that...we could have, someday I hope, some system that allows you to change the ''bio description'' IG, to mach the growth of your character and changes with RP. Like scars, and such.
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Post by DEV Akavit on Jan 24, 2009 0:23:47 GMT -5
About that...we could have, someday I hope, some system that allows you to change the ''bio description'' IG, to mach the growth of your character and changes with RP. Like scars, and such. On the Thesk server that I tried out once they used the forums for the real character descriptions. This allowed the players to give detailed information that could be easily updated as events warranted. If people want to do this maybe one of the developers will create a new section for character descriptions. It's not nearly as convenient as an ingame tool but it should work and is easy to implement.
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Post by DM blessedone on Jan 24, 2009 2:03:35 GMT -5
I refer specifically to PC's wearing a mask. Various PC's including but not limited to Justin Crownsilver (after leaving the Fist), Flail, The Watcher, Sheritomo and Bigidil have roamed about wearing face masks or full helms and were never stopped and questioned as potential outlaws. Yet when a PC does commit a crime and become wanted by the law, some PC's suddenly grow suspicious of masked or helmed people and somehow manage to pinpoint the correct PC without ever bothering the others. It is only reasonable to expect some consistancy here. Unless a PC holds an attitude of suspicion against all masked PC's he really doesn't have any reason to interrogate the masked criminal. I agree with you. Consitancy with such......Aiden knows Justin very well....It was his immediate Ranking Officer for a LONG time, yet, when he has been seen in his mask roaming around, he has been *eyed carefully* by Aiden because he does not recognize Justin in the FULL FACE MASK. I for one, will always speak with those who wear masks due to the growing paranoia Aiden feels because of past experiences with Assassins, Masked Bandits and so on. Just read his journal and you will know...this is his standard and does not care if they are friend or foe until he knows for sure what their intentions are for being 'masked' on such a high traveled road. If he is looking for a wanted criminal and has a good description of the one (multiple reports from multiple people) he will speak with ALL that even closely come to this description. Just ask any of the halflings I grilled while hunting down Matsuo.....(sorry to all of you out there.... ) or any of the 'Full Helm Drow' we had running around before the UD...... Another case in point...Ryokami.....nothing more needs to be said about that one.....he was smart about how he did his crimes and how he got away......B.T.W. - He is STILL at large........ I will warn however, that, if Aiden is hunting a suspect for questioning or hunting a wanted criminal or your masked and he asks that you stop where you are so that he can speak with you and you run.....I will chase. You ever watch COPS? I may not know who in the world I am chasing, but, I will chase none the less thinking that it may be the one I seek. If, you are unmasked and openly showing your face and Aiden does not know you or has never seen your face, he will not recognize you. Bottom line. Wanted or not......It is up to the PC to be smart enough to evade his questions and re-direct his efforts to avoid capture. I am however, human and make mistakes while RPing as all of us here do at one time or another. Just shoot a tell to me and it is not a big deal to 'stratch that' or I can 'give you an out' if it is knowledge not known, hidden, or masked or you do not wish to PVP and so on....It is...just a game. So, Let's Have FUN and GAME ON!
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Post by DEV Akavit on Jan 24, 2009 2:21:32 GMT -5
Lol. It's good to hear that Aiden gives all equal treatment (even if it is equally unpleasant). I do remember now that he gave Shero the evil eye when she was in disguise. It's a good thing that no one could possibly mistake the 5 foot Kara-Turan for the half-orc bandit he was after at the time.
And even Shero with her natural affinity for voices failed to recognize the former Lieutenant of the Fist Considering that the times they spoke with each other were few and far between, I didn't think she would be able to identify a man that she knew as a heavily-armored soldier. She would have recognized the voice once tipped off but considering that she wasn't expecting to run across him, his name was far from her mind as she spoke with the masked man. Although she isn't the type to attempt exposing a criminal on her own, she did ask Justin if he was going to rob her.
Different PC's will of course be RP'ed differently but instant recognition of a criminal that one is not very familiar with is overmuch. Especially when one does not even expect to see the criminal in the immediate vicinity.
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Post by Zealote on Jan 24, 2009 2:27:34 GMT -5
Its good to remind people that the Fist has the right to ask you to remove the helm for a moment, when they are hunting a criminal, and always, ask you to remove the helm inside the City. The soldiers need to know who enters and who leaves. If no one asks, you have no reason to remove the helm inside the city. But you cannot deny the Fist request, if made.
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