maximvs
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Post by maximvs on Jan 23, 2009 18:48:15 GMT -5
its my metagaming shadowdancer level! just one lvl !
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Post by Erulaan D'Anhoor on Jan 23, 2009 18:49:58 GMT -5
we moved hips to lvl 5 SD on my old server...
solved many issues
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Post by DEV Akavit on Jan 23, 2009 19:04:34 GMT -5
Can't we just have expectations that fall within the game engine? Next thing I am going to read is how somebody who is very tall, brawny, ugly and clearly a half orc, is going to claim they are really an elf with a thyroid condition, and they will "log off in your face" if they are not properly recognized as such... cmon people I fail to see where the point is here. A half-orc could not pass as an elf without magical means but a halfling could easily be disguised as........ ......a halfling. The point being that no one could ever spot out one particular halfling through a full helmet or mask and distinguish him from every other halfling in Baldur's Gate. If a PC decides to go around questioning everyone that wears a mask or full helm that is perfectly acceptable. What is strange though, is how some PC's manage to home in on the target of choice while ignoring every other character that has some sort of face covering. If a disguised PC runs across any of my characters I will not make an attempt at recognition unless the following circumstances apply. 1. My PC is familiar with the other or has interacted with that character in a noteworthy meeting. A passing meeting is not good enough. It would take a notable encounter or some degree of familiarity for another person's face and voice to be readily recalled. AND 2a. The current situation involves the exchange of at least, a full sentence or two or a glimpse at the other's face. OR 2b. My PC has a valid reason to expect the other character to be in the immediate area.
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ovarf
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Post by ovarf on Jan 23, 2009 19:33:21 GMT -5
If your going to claim your disguised somehow then you should have to make a roll or do something opposed .
I should not have to justify to you out of character why I might be able to find you. Your the one trying to hide in plain sight without the skill not me.
I can't just claim abilities not covered by the game and expect everyone to play along because I think that's how it should work. I don't think other players should be allowed to do that either.
There is a skill called bluff in the game that I feel would best suite this instance. You want to claim a disguise roll a bluff vs my spot you win fine if not the I see threw your disguise. Its simple its completely in the game so whats the issue with it?
Don't claim meta gaming when you are the one going outside the rules in a way that is heavily stacked in your favor with no possible in game way to oppose your self given superpower.
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ovarf
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Post by ovarf on Jan 23, 2009 19:37:33 GMT -5
again reading this it sounds more hostile then intended sorry about that. but really whats the big deal of it being a simple opposed roll. Yes some people are very good at disguising themselves but its a skill not some ability everyone has as soon as they need it.
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Post by broham2 on Jan 23, 2009 19:52:15 GMT -5
Its not an ability, its reality. If you saw me at the bank today, and then I showed up tonight on your doorstep with a full faced helm and a greatsword.. would you know it was me?
No.
Neither would your character dude.
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ovarf
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Post by ovarf on Jan 23, 2009 20:04:17 GMT -5
Its a game games have rules if you allow people to make up their own rules to suit their needs and opinions the game brakes down.
Yes you can make an argument that if i had only seen you once i would not know who you are but what is to say that i have only seen you once in passing?
Your setting up the situation so it benefits your, I shouldn't have to spend skill points on a skill that is very valuable your PC and how you want to RP him.
error on the side of balance and just agree to a contested roll simple and clear.
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ovarf
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Post by ovarf on Jan 23, 2009 20:12:04 GMT -5
Not done apparently
The game has many ways IG of making you not recognizable both in spells and skills why should anyone get an ability that exists in game for free (you could hide you could be invisible you could polymorph) no there is no actual disguise skill but bluff comes the closest. I find it interesting that anyone would argue agaist a simple contested roll as the solution to this issue.
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Post by broham2 on Jan 23, 2009 20:19:40 GMT -5
You dont make a roll for walking down the road, or unsheathing your blades. Why would anyone need to make a roll for putting on a mask that obscures your features. It doesnt HIDE anyone, it simply makes it impossible to RECOGNIZE someone.
I think Akavit has outlined clearly the logic behind that. You may want to reread it.
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Post by DEV Akavit on Jan 23, 2009 20:26:20 GMT -5
Rolls are perfectly fine. The only request that is being made is that people acknowledge that a PC who uses a disguise such a full plate armor or a hood and mask is unrecognizable unless exposed by removal of said disguise or by voice recognition (which is hard for me to do in real life unless I know someone very well). Yet making a roll without having a valid reason for suspicion seems overboard. If the PC has a good reason for suspicion, then yes, go ahead and make the roll.
Of course wearing a face mask or a full helm at all times would be suspicious in itself. However, if someone wants to expose a disguised criminal, one would expect them to check out all masked/helmed PC's of the appropriate height and not just the one who happens to bear the name of the quarry. Though it should be noted that a full helm is not suspicious in itself when worn in dangerous areas. Wearing one in the city might provoke curiosity.
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Post by broham2 on Jan 23, 2009 20:31:39 GMT -5
Lol, man.. that isnt what anyone is saying. If I get caught in the act, im toast. But if i rob you in a mask and then see you later unmasked.. unless you have reasonable suspicion (like akavit went over above) you cant expect a roll. Believe me, we all are aware of the consequence of being caught.
ON EDIT: Replying to a deleted post I guess.
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Jan 23, 2009 20:33:04 GMT -5
I'm done. I guess I just felt that if you chose to RP an outlaw you would also chose to live with the consequences of your RP actions I guess I was wrong. You just put on a mask and then everyone has to ignore you. nope nothing at all unbalancing about that just put on a mask and everything is a clean slate again. Hmm. You seem to be one of those who takes one position and when others oppose it, you start sarcastically taking theirs to a ridiculous extreme that you know nobody would agree on. What has been stated thus far by those agreeing that disguises are permitted is perfectly logical. Even if said characters did not have a mask, think about it. People who have seen me only a few times always mistake me for other people who happen to have black hair but don't look at all like me. I can't imagine how much trouble people would have telling who I am if I were to wear a cloth over three-quarters of my face, and a hood over my hair (which people tend to use to try and identify me). Oddly enough, I have been mistaken for people who are nearly half a foot taller than I am, too. Trust me, people are generally unobservant.
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Jan 23, 2009 20:33:58 GMT -5
ON EDIT: Replying to a deleted post I guess. Don't worry. I got it quoted below your post. ;D
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ovarf
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Post by ovarf on Jan 23, 2009 20:35:50 GMT -5
can't it be assumed that the PC is asking all those hundreds of people that they are in theory hiding behind? I mean if it can work in their favor why not in the favor of the hunters as well?
whats so unbalancing about this? fail the roll leave them alone done if a full helm is 100% concealment of your identity, as is being claimed, how long would it have taken the FF to outlaw full helms and masks on the road and in the city?
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ovarf
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Post by ovarf on Jan 23, 2009 20:43:11 GMT -5
Lol, man.. that isnt what anyone is saying. If I get caught in the act, im toast. But if i rob you in a mask and then see you later unmasked.. unless you have reasonable suspicion (like akavit went over above) you cant expect a roll. Believe me, we all are aware of the consequence of being caught. ON EDIT: Replying to a deleted post I guess. yes because it is completely outside of human ability, not to mention totally unprecedented, to pick someone out of a line up when they had a mask on.
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