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Post by DM haunted on Oct 3, 2008 3:39:46 GMT -5
How does everyone feel about the new 4th edition DND?
Also,the new expansion coming for NWN2 next month.
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Post by DM haunted on Oct 3, 2008 9:55:30 GMT -5
I am actually real excited with 4th edition. I hope to see it evovle into great things.
The idea of Cyric murdering Mystra is pretty cool.Of course the young deity couldnt do it on his own.The brains behind it all was Shar ,who was hoping to absorb Mystra's portfolio and govern both sides of the weave , but that's not how things turned out ,lol.
In committing the foul act , the weave was destroyed ,triggering cataclysmic events in Faerun. Some nations were totally wiped out.Thay for example , devastated....gone! The events changed the face of Faerun and the planet Toril forever. Even entire planes within Realmspace are completely wiped out and certain deities along with them.
Abeir - Toril , most think is one single planet ,but it is not. Abeir is actually another place in itself.During this time Abeir collides with Toril , causing much of the devastation in Faerun.When this happens aberrations and all sorts of powerful creatures emerge into Faerun.Thus,giving into what is known as the Spellplague.
The weave is now non-existent.Magic is wild across the land.Arcanists of different levels of power lose their abilities altogether.Some turn to learning new skills and becoming warriors.
Some lose their minds and go insane.But this isnt the end of magic ,this is a whole new beginning.People learn to tap into the energy through new means. Such as symbols and new hand cants and concentration of the mind.Some mages get their abilities back,others never again.
Now that magic is accessed in many different ways . It is also now available to not only wizards ,but warriors,rogues and other sorts of professions. People now go to great lengths to acquire magic as well. Even goodly men will turn to demons or devils to achieve what they once were able to on their own.
So this is just a little summery about some of what is going on in the 4th edition setting.Check it out folks.
As for the new expansion , of course I am stoked!!
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Post by derf on Oct 3, 2008 10:10:22 GMT -5
4th Edition is just a way for WOTC the generate money with an aging D&D system.
If anyone "actually" reads the books you would find that it is a travesty of epic proportions.
What they did to wizards was horrible, turning them into Harry Potter wannabes. Just reading the descriptive text was enough to show the LARGE influence of J.K. Rouling had in it and many of the editors are obviously fans of the films (I am too, but that is beside the point).
Now light spells emit a bright glow at the end of a wizards wand or staff just like the Luminous spell from Harry Potter.
Now I have heard some rumblings that they will be releasing a arcana book that will actually include verbal words for casting spells which are there for the role players, but is really trying to snatch up the harry potter fans into D&D (however this may or may not make it, or is just a rumor; but you never know). I heard they would use, for example, the magic words Raistlin used for his staff to produce light at the end and to turn it off for ALL light spells. Something like SHIRAK for common 'Light' spell and INFINI SHIRAK for 'Continual Light' spell.
Now your going to have D&D wizards who can say what spell they wish to cast and can actually say "words of power" to activate the spell. Having Elminster casting a fireball spell and saying something like "Mahalito!" (a magic spell from the old PC game Wizardry) feels so wrong in so many ways as to feel dirty when you try to role play a wizard.
What I find very humorous is that each edition after the basic edition, started to get to complex and just plain silly; is now coming back around full circle and is trying to morph back into the basic edition design, just with big words.
The combat system has been trasnformed yet again but misses the entire mark this time as well, but at last they understood what the problems were, they just put on stucco and said finished.
Now many fans go on about it, which is fine. If you like it than run with it and have a ball, but I have looked it over and felt robbed and betrayed in more ways than I would like to admit.
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Post by Val32 on Oct 3, 2008 10:12:10 GMT -5
You know, I asked around to see who else that I gamed with would be buying the 4th edition. The overwhelming responce was no. It is a lot of money to lay-out for a hand full of rule changes(when PnP you use the ones you want to anyway) and we already MP on-line as it is...and as for SoZ it may or may not be worth the extra money, I may just want to donate 25 bucks to Baldur's gate instead!
But if I have to upgrade to SoZ then I have to...I'm sure we will be told wehen to do so!
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Post by DM haunted on Oct 3, 2008 10:21:19 GMT -5
Okay , I wouldnt go as far as bashing it completely...These are drastic changes and yes,they have attempted to simplify it.
Every thing has to change at one point or another...It could have been worse.Far as the actual novels,they seem pretty cool at least.
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Post by hol2atio on Oct 3, 2008 10:47:21 GMT -5
still havent played MoTB mod thanks to this PW.. also would stink to have to learn more as i just barely got a grasp on making builds with 3.5  |
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Post by Zealote on Oct 3, 2008 12:44:33 GMT -5
Lol, if it was up to me, we would still be playing AD&D. Good times.....No PB problems.....even the most powerful character could still die to a pack of angry ranged hobgoblins....
And the dragons were impossible to beat. *sighs*
It was so beautiful when you started to swing your sword at the Red Dragon in BG2 and he just moved his wings and you ended up a thousand yards away.....
Zeal
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Post by lorgin2003 on Oct 3, 2008 14:12:02 GMT -5
even the most powerful character could still die to a pack of angry ranged hobgoblins.... huh? i have an AD&D paladin that soloed a tarrasque. pretty much every time my turn came to act, it was pretty much just the DM taking 2 monsters out of the mob. artifacts are wonderful things. |
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Post by Zealote on Oct 3, 2008 14:47:44 GMT -5
Im not talking about PnP with DM GoodItem. Try to do that in BG 1 or 2, and Icewindale. Lets see what happens. And of course, dont forget to roll a dice for hp at each lvl, instead of getting full life at lvl up. ;D
Zeal
PS: Get your highest lvl character and try to kill the Red Dragon in BG 2. Solo.
PS2: In here, i know a guy or two that can take a Red solo and win with ease. Just sounds unreal to me, as weird as this may sound to a ''game''.
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Oct 3, 2008 16:31:27 GMT -5
Now that magic is accessed in many different ways . It is also now available to not only wizards ,but warriors,rogues and other sorts of professions. People now go to great lengths to acquire magic as well. Even goodly men will turn to demons or devils to achieve what they once were able to on their own. This sounds like magic is now dispersed among any class. Hmm... so now everyone can be a powerful warrior and cast magic, too. This sounds ultra, ultra boooooooring to me. |
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Post by tlantl on Oct 3, 2008 16:43:56 GMT -5
I have bought the player's handbook and i like a few of the things they changed but overall the game is no longer worthy of the name D&D. Sorry. I spent a great many years playing this game and it never felt so restrictive.
I haven't found a group to play with, so I can't say whether it is any good as a gaming system which I'm afraid it actually might be.
Once I have the money to waste on the DMG and Monster Manual. I will spring the game on my part time players. None of whom have the new system.
Then I'll know.
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Post by Iceshard on Oct 3, 2008 19:33:26 GMT -5
Well hopfully SoZ has something cool and interesting to bring to the table. However I have a feeling they will just strap a couple new classes an extra race or two and a new overland map and call it SoZ..
As for fourth Edt.. anything that makes a gnome and halfling a monster instead of a race has my vote! lol
-Ice
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Oct 3, 2008 20:35:53 GMT -5
This sounds like magic is now dispersed among any class. Hmm... so now everyone can be a powerful warrior and cast magic, too. This sounds ultra, ultra boooooooring to me. Sounds like some added balance to me. An upper teens wizard can pretty much blast the hells out of anyone here not to mention take the spawns that other 20 level builds cannot even stand to. But, this is just pen and paper, or is it? Perhaps, but then they are the weakest when they run out of spells. That's the problem with the quick rest in NWN2. They can be at full power at almost all times, making their weakness virtually non-existant. Balanced or not, it would still be boring having everyone do the same thing. |
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Post by DM haunted on Oct 3, 2008 20:47:47 GMT -5
Alrighty, the old schoolers of PNP , will most likely go no further than the 3.5
But hey , give it awhile , its new. It may evolve into something better than your first impression of it.
Far as the FR setting goes, I think it is pretty cool.
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Post by borton on Oct 4, 2008 0:10:41 GMT -5
Well change no one likes some one will all ways grip we may not like it but hay some times change is for the better
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