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Post by caveman282 on Dec 30, 2008 23:03:06 GMT -5
Pretty heavy racism there if you attack tieflings on sight though. I mean, they can't really be blamed for their fiendish blood anymore than your character can be blamed for his celestial heritage. The Drow I can understand, I suppose Duergar and Svirfneblin as well (Aiee! Midget dark elves!) but the tieflings, not so much. That's like taking down genasi because their respective elements are dangerous. Of course, if that's the way your character works, so be it. But unless he's a massive, hypocritical bigot you might want to consider that tieflings aren't necessarily evil. On the subject of recognising Drow while they're wearing hoods/helmets: Consider that the Realms have a veritable multitude of nations and cultures, many of which are quite foreign to residents of the Sword Coast? Would you really be able to tell the difference between an Underdark accent and a Thayan one? Or an accent from the Far East, for that matter? Well if you read about Aasimir and teiflings they are have always been enemies so that why my char will do so with tieflings. Not saying everyone should.
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Post by mrdeadman on Dec 30, 2008 23:34:28 GMT -5
Ok let's consider the veritable races and cultures... would a farmer take any chances on a moon elf not being a Drow and just stick him with a pitchfork? D&D isn't logical... it's not modern, people have very racist opinions... even if the word racist actually isn't coined until the 1950's. If my character wants to attack you because you are wearing purple... guess what, you will get a warning and a set to hostile after which time you have 15 seconds to either A. prepare for attack, B. leave, C. stand there and act stupid then whine after I pwn you. The reason matters not.
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Post by DM Cephas on Dec 31, 2008 1:06:38 GMT -5
Ok let's consider the veritable races and cultures... would a farmer take any chances on a moon elf not being a Drow and just stick him with a pitchfork? D&D isn't logical... it's not modern, people have very racist opinions... even if the word racist actually isn't coined until the 1950's. If my character wants to attack you because you are wearing purple... guess what, you will get a warning and a set to hostile after which time you have 15 seconds to either A. prepare for attack, B. leave, C. stand there and act stupid then whine after I pwn you. The reason matters not. to add to this... Human races and Faerun races aren't the same thing. Faerun races are different biologically and some actually have evil "built" into them. I've seen 'good' PC's initiate combat with goblins and orcs before so why not drow and gray dwarves (or tieflings)? Racial "equality" in Faerun terms isn't the same as in real life. In fact, it probably doesn't exist.
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Post by caveman282 on Dec 31, 2008 1:23:41 GMT -5
This is all why I posted this. There should be conflict inthe world and there should be racial tensions and even class tensions. Warlocks to me are just as evil as blackguards and evil mages and clerics But those are harder to sence or see unless you seen them act that way. Don't get upset if PVP occurs play it out. Theres no Perma-death here right now so why not have fun with it.
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Dec 31, 2008 1:44:12 GMT -5
To mention one thing here regarding racism toward drow, some people perceive the immediate hostile attitude the Flaming Fist takes with drow as being extreme. In this case, however, it would be good to remind oneself that the Flaming Fist, besides being the police of the city, are also the army of Baldur's Gate. Basically, they are at war with the drow race.
So, considering this, I think that anyone who has any regard for the law (and has an ounce of bravery) would either reveal any information they know to the law, or take it upon themselves to rid the world of one of these abominations. The Fist doesn't expect the common person, or even adventurers, to attack drow, but they do expect cooperation, much as the police require cooperation in catching criminals.
So, please, if you want to play a drow on the surface, go the whole way with your RP and let everyone else have some fun with the tension that should be there between the drow and the surfacers. PvP death costs a person but sixty seconds of time, so it's not as if anything is being lost by PvP.
PLEASE, for the sake of the DMs' sanity, consider fully playing the role of the PC you create! PLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSE!!!
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Post by His Masters Voice on Dec 31, 2008 3:37:36 GMT -5
PLEASE, for the sake of the DMs' sanity, consider fully playing the role of the PC you create! PLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSE!!! Pft, DMs are a minority. Consider the role of the PC for your fellow roleplayer.
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Dec 31, 2008 3:52:08 GMT -5
PLEASE, for the sake of the DMs' sanity, consider fully playing the role of the PC you create! PLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSE!!! Pft, DMs are a minority. Consider the role of the PC for your fellow roleplayer. We may be a minority, but do you know what happens when a DM goes insane? DO YOU?!!
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Post by DM Cephas on Dec 31, 2008 3:55:05 GMT -5
*tries to calm him down* shh.... it's okay, SirC. The bad RP'ers won't get you. It's okay... You can put down the meteor swarm button.... they won't hurt you... LOL Pft, DMs are a minority. Consider the role of the PC for your fellow roleplayer. We may be a minority, but do you know what happens when a DM goes insane? DO YOU?!!
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Post by driderman on Dec 31, 2008 5:53:57 GMT -5
Pretty heavy racism there if you attack tieflings on sight though. I mean, they can't really be blamed for their fiendish blood anymore than your character can be blamed for his celestial heritage. The Drow I can understand, I suppose Duergar and Svirfneblin as well (Aiee! Midget dark elves!) but the tieflings, not so much. That's like taking down genasi because their respective elements are dangerous. Of course, if that's the way your character works, so be it. But unless he's a massive, hypocritical bigot you might want to consider that tieflings aren't necessarily evil. On the subject of recognising Drow while they're wearing hoods/helmets: Consider that the Realms have a veritable multitude of nations and cultures, many of which are quite foreign to residents of the Sword Coast? Would you really be able to tell the difference between an Underdark accent and a Thayan one? Or an accent from the Far East, for that matter? Well if you read about Aasimir and teiflings they are have always been enemies so that why my char will do so with tieflings. Not saying everyone should. Actually, if I read about Aasimar and Tieflings they are usually born of human parentage or similiar, with only a trickle of celestial/fiendish blood in their veins, due to some great grandparent getting it on with Horny The Demon or somesuch. I certainly don't mind your character having a racist attitude and attacking Tieflings on sight, but your reasoning for it makes no sense to me. After all, if you play an Aasimar druid your character should know firsthand that the planetouched can differentiate from the roles people assume they should fill Some people get it wrong, they think Aasimar and Tieflings are paragons or good and evil, respectively. That's really not true, they have as much leeway in alignment choices as humans and half-elves, although with a slight tendency towards their origin alignment. They are not big, bad and terrible incarnations of good or evil, they're just regular people with a few irregular features.
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Post by Tiefling on Dec 31, 2008 6:23:22 GMT -5
We may be a minority, but do you know what happens when a DM goes insane? DO YOU?!!You make yourself appear as a dwarf named; 'DM Insane' - and you just sit mumbling with some former Fist members in Beregost? But playing a tiefling, I got to ask you Caveman, how would you identify a tiefling? Edit, in reply to Driderman's post: forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Devaforgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/TieflingScroll down to see the 'Relations with Other Races' part. Kind of explains the Caveman's character's view regarding Tieflings, perhaps taken to the extreme. And that which you've read sounds awful lot like the 4th edition tieflings. Hope it won't stick with Forgotten Realms setting.
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Post by Jiszo on Dec 31, 2008 9:08:35 GMT -5
I would think he would just look for horns and then attack. I agree with his perspective on drows but not tieflings. By the way if an incident as such was reported to the fist how would they react. Tieflings are allowed in BG, would an unjustified act of violence toward them be treated as it would any other? would justice be served? If so wouldn't that then make him a criminal in the eyes of the fist for attacking an innocent person. That is of course if it was unjustified. I know that tieflings are said not to be trusted but they are not to ordered to be killed on sight as the drow and duergers are.
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Post by caveman282 on Dec 31, 2008 9:53:17 GMT -5
As for Teiflings I don't or didn't expect anyone else to agree with it and thats fine. I was just stating my point of few from my char. As far as Identifing them and initiating the PVP, I usually try and do a lil RP with any of it first even with the drow. I usually try an entangle spell to engage a conversation or a knock down spell. If they succeed in not getting caught then maybe other means will be used. If the Teifling has his/her features covers such as horns then its hard to determine unless they have a very unusual eye color, but even then I maight have to inquire more about their heritage. You can also spot them by their skin color if they have an unusual tint. I agree though some drow are harder to spot cause the colors can look similar to a moon elf. But If you read about drow their eye colors are usually red, skin dark ebon black, and white or yellowish tint hair. Having a drow look like a moon elf would be a rare drow ... perhaps with a mixed heritage.
Your right though being a druid does conflict with my chars personal fews on racial tensions. He fights with inner conflict all the time. Knowing that being a druid he has to help preserve the balance of natural order of things and also his heritage to deal with. Some times his heritage gets the best of him, and other times he might exersice more self control and remember all things have their place.
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Post by wildelf on Dec 31, 2008 11:52:07 GMT -5
Hey, when I played Malkar, I didn't expect anything less than kill-on-sight from anyone. Thankfully, there were more people who could spot LG'ness when they see it, but I still remained quite hidden for some time. Consider this war. Drow are natural enemies, and one's natural reaction to a natural enemy is to attack and destroy it.
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Post by Tiefling on Dec 31, 2008 12:50:23 GMT -5
Caveman, if you ever meet Nebbie, have fun. Though, if your druid is already one of those epics, it be nice to give me a real good headstart when it comes running away. Wildelf: ... Consider this war. Drow are natural enemies, and one's natural reaction to a natural enemy is to attack and destroy it. ...Or run away screaming, hide, and hope you're not found and the evil, evil thing goes away. Even if the fellow in question happens to be rated as effortless.
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Post by caveman282 on Dec 31, 2008 13:02:06 GMT -5
Caveman, if you ever meet Nebbie, have fun. Though, if your druid is already one of those epics, it be nice to give me a real good headstart when it comes running away. Wildelf: ... Consider this war. Drow are natural enemies, and one's natural reaction to a natural enemy is to attack and destroy it. ...Or run away screaming, hide, and hope you're not found and the evil, evil thing goes away. Even if the fellow in question happens to be rated as effortless. I'm no epic char, I'm sitting at lvl 18 and in no hurry to get much higher than that right now. I'll be sure and do some rp with ya and some head start stuff. I also have a hard time believing anyone who plays a drow not wanting to PVP with it. Why play a drow other wise? Everyone knows how drow are, They kill surfacers on sight and even each other if they will it. The only reason somone would not want to pvp with one is so they can lvl up to 30 then say ok I will pvp now.
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