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Post by BOGUS on Sept 8, 2008 12:59:46 GMT -5
In Bjorl's Barro biography i wrote that he is from Carnival, and got that PM from Wiz:
The trick of Forgotten Realms is that some places appear recently, but have a hundreds years history. I am sure that Carnival is set on the moment of time, we are playing in. Maybe it is just a few wagons and a few houses, but something as Carnival already exists in 1350. And the statue of Branwen can stay until BG I adventures for many years. Why not?
There is another point in that thread - i would like to explore Nashkel mines and visit Nashkel city and Carnival. I don't really thing that to burn it down is a very good idea, seems like someone just got tired of making houses and city areas and desided to solve it really quickly. I think Cloudpeak mountains area (which is awesome location) must be behind area with Nashkel, Nashkel mines and Carnival and transmission mark can be just renamed. Don't we cut of a big piece of gameplay by burning down one city, ruining its mines and not using another gambling-bard-dancers place?
i would be really grateful for link to load BG lore book.
ps and i am stacked at 15 lvl - giants are too strong (as skeletons in mansion), wyverns - too weak, there should be something in between of them i guess.
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Post by whenwizardswar on Sept 8, 2008 13:24:56 GMT -5
My point was, the events you refer to are some of the things that happened during the BG1 game, whichn takes place at LEAST 20 years from now (The main character is about teenage, maybe adult years).
Branwen isnt an old lady 20 years from now, in fact I'm willing to be she might be even born yet, or if she is she is very very young.
Sure the carnival could visit the region once a year or so, but those events mentioned take place a good 20+ years from now.
This seems like your asking for open discussion, which is all well and good.
Like i said we arnt RP nazi's but most of the DM's and even the Admin J2fn wants us to stick as close to cannon lore as possible.
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Post by DEV Jlf2n on Sept 8, 2008 13:25:37 GMT -5
Yeah the reason I built Nashkel as a burnt out city is two fold.
1. Do we really need another small town? Towns take up a lot of space on the server. Not only are they exteriors, but add in the NPCs, merchants and what not and it gets even bigger.
2. The other reason is I wanted to save it as an event for after we go live. Once we get things up and running ok one of the eventual events I want to run involve the PCs retaking the town and rebuilding as a player run town. Laurk rebuilt a nice lore version of the town that he gave me. I figured we could reuse it for that at some point.
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Sept 8, 2008 13:28:30 GMT -5
About Branwen, one could ask the question: Do people age while being in stone form? If not, then she could have been there for quite some time. But since I don't know much about FR lore, rules, or anything like that, I can only speculate what effect the spell would have.
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Post by whenwizardswar on Sept 8, 2008 13:32:19 GMT -5
They dont age, at least that an pnp or ingame spell description states, but when you free branwen from the stone she is CLEARLY an adult, and thus would have been petrified as one.
From talking to her in game, she hasnt spent 20+ years as a statue heh.
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Post by BOGUS on Sept 8, 2008 13:56:21 GMT -5
About Branwen, one could ask the question: Do people age while being in stone form? If not, then she could have been there for quite some time. But since I don't know much about FR lore, rules, or anything like that, I can only speculate what effect the spell would have. I am sure that people in stone form stuck in time. And i am sure that it was just a coincidence that a player in BG I managed to turn that cleric from stone to flash just with simple scroll, i think at the time player encounter Carnival stone magic on Branwen just became really weak. That is my vision, that is why i wrote in Bjorl's biography that many mages tried casting stone to flash on that statue and failed. The magic was too strong, maybe its archmage did it with here, great as Halaster. So she can stand there for ages. About cities, That's a pity that they took space on server, actually another city with npc is really not needed. Can you make Nashcel and Nashkel mines and Carnival under attack of monsters? And all people from that area run away and now hiding elsewhere. Just can you add Nashkel mines ruins,and ruins of Carnival after giants attack? Or better put Carnival in another location, i am sure having a theater and scene for bard duels, or arena for fighting tournaments there will be very good. And surely i want open discussion and really do not want to change Bjorl's biography, somehow i am sure that Josh will agree to make Carnival for gambling and tournaments of all sort. And Ryokami and Amber wont sparring on a road near Baldur's Gate and me, gambling gambling in the same place near their lethal magic ;-)))))) They dont age, at least that an pnp or ingame spell description states, but when you free branwen from the stone she is CLEARLY an adult, and thus would have been petrified as one. From talking to her in game, she hasnt spent 20+ years as a statue heh. She was just shy about her real age and time standing as a statue ;D ps imho a Branwen statue can be a best connection point from BG TSCC to BG I.
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Post by atlas on Sept 8, 2008 14:06:13 GMT -5
The carnival is a traveling carnival as i remember a little kid in the BG saga saying it only comes every so often. Branwen was petrified by Tranzig who was an evil wizard working for Sarevok and the Iron Throne. He wasnt terribly wise as i recall so i'm guessing he wasnt that old in BG1. Anyway i dont see why it cant just be a carnival that travels the Sword Coast or something that Bjorl is from.
I think Nashkel should only have been burned down if it actualy was burnt down in 1351 DR. It is apart of Amn and if it was burnt down Amn would no doubt send an army to fight off the giants and rebuild it since it's mine is where all the blacksmiths up and down the Sword Coast get all their ore.
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Post by BOGUS on Sept 8, 2008 14:35:58 GMT -5
That really makes sense.....so Carnival is just a traveling wagons, that stopped at that time near Nashkell around the statue? And Branwen was petrified by Tranzig.....well...i can be forgiven, i played BG ten years ago Guess i wake some minor changes to Bjorl's biography ... *sigh* don't want loose idea with Branwen *sigh again*
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Post by Ryokami on Sept 8, 2008 14:49:44 GMT -5
And Ryokami and Amber wont sparring on a road near Baldur's Gate and me, gambling gambling in the same place near their lethal magic ;-)))))) That is what happens when you become truly bored and don't know who to terrorize
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Post by whenwizardswar on Sept 8, 2008 14:50:22 GMT -5
The carnival is a traveling carnival as i remember a little kid in the BG saga saying it only comes every so often. Branwen was petrified by Tranzig who was an evil wizard working for Sarevok and the Iron Throne. He wasnt terribly wise as i recall so i'm guessing he wasnt that old in BG1. Anyway i dont see why it cant just be a carnival that travels the Sword Coast or something that Bjorl is from. I think Nashkel should only have been burned down if it actualy was burnt down in 1351 DR. It is apart of Amn and if it was burnt down Amn would no doubt send an army to fight off the giants and rebuild it since it's mine is where all the blacksmiths up and down the Sword Coast get all their ore. The timeline is correct, it is held by gnolls at this point in time, at least according to my sources. it is reclaimed evetnually but not by amnish soldiers, but by a group of adventuros (Bently mirrorshade) and his traveling companions who turn it into the much friendler arm inn.
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Post by atlas on Sept 8, 2008 15:14:18 GMT -5
Are you talking about the temple of Bhaal that was converted by Bentley and his wife into the Friendly Arm inn eventualy or Nashkel? Nashkel is a mining village and the northernmost part of Amn.
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Post by BOGUS on Sept 8, 2008 15:19:52 GMT -5
No more stone Branwen in Bjorl's biography any more. But i hope there will be some area with NPSs showing tricks, bards, artists, dancers and ogre showing his strength in circus......
Aye, the transition mark "To Friendly Arm Inn" is confusing really, it still castle of one Bhaal cleric-mage, which will be defeated by Bently, his wife and adventurers only in Time of Trouble, because of the lost of Bhaals attention.
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Post by astralwyvern on Sept 8, 2008 16:53:08 GMT -5
...(I) am (stuck) at 15 lvl - giants are too strong (as skeletons in mansion), wyverns - too weak, there should be something in between of them (I) guess. Exactly. Carnival? I love them.
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