Drow/evil PC's

[shawnystyle77]

This is getting kinda ridiculous.

If you play a drow, deep gnome or druegar you should avoid people and hide your identity at all costs. Walking around showing off your dark skin and white hair is bad rp for the drow and bad rp for the players who allow it. My main is a high level drow and she still avoids social settings and wears a full helm to deter questions.

PC's who openly attack players and npc's should not expect to interact with them socially. Evil is no excuse imo, there are more subtle ways to be evil. But if you want to be hostile, you should stay hostile... IE dont kill farmer Jorns chickens then expect to be able to trade wolf hides with him.

[Iceshard]

Ill agree on this one, if your this openly evil on other servers you can expect a swift and nonempathetic perma-kill. If you participate in my events and happen to be a drow you better be damn good at hiding your identity or amazing with words to convince the group your what they have been missing... otherwise you may find your self in a battle you prob wont win...

When it comes to DM's we are here for RP, and if you dont RP, bugger off to the grind and dont call us unless you have some technical issue that needs to be fixed.

-Ice

[Sojourn]

Yeah drow are kill on sight (this is the FORGOTTEN REALMS) - if you're drow or duergar you better be wearing a hood or something cause if others see your face they will immediately attack you. It is warranted so don't bitch about it. And do your best to roleplay.

[radium]

Hear hear.

[jmlfoo]

So if you happen to be one of the above, all events are exclusively NO-NO? Or should there be Evil-only events?

"Todays event (evil only): We will gather in farm campsite, from there on we will slaughter everything in our path."

Sounds promising.

I get the feeling as if the devil is reading bible when it comes to UD encounters. I think that there _could_ be some kind of leveling in attitude when "all welcome" -event is shouted?

It just feels really odd to me that UD/evils could not attend to events just because they are UD/Evil (unless they actually cause mess in event).

[jasonpauldegraaf]

It would be at the discretion of the DMs to do an evil campaign. And it doesn't have to be killing everything on site. It could be gathering items for a dark ritual, or stealing an important item from a good temple, or bribing an authority figure, on and on.

Just keep in mind that UD races specifically 1) are very powerful and 2) socially rejected. This will exclude them from most events where social interaction is required.

If you like playing an evil character, play a LE/NE character who is not a UD/Tief, who many use things like subtly, manipulation, and planning to get in good with good and neutral players, all the while weaving their wicked plots.

Oh yeah, and quit complaining.

[Iceshard]

Yep, I have no issues with evils attending my events.. its the UD's mainly that come in, and people get all chummy... NOPE! Swift kick out the door for you on that one. We as DM's are here for RP in our events, that includes following the main rules behind Drow and other UD Races, and prob Tieflings. NO ONE should be all buddy buddy with drows or their likes. They are hated, feared, despised, and hunted down like the plague (or avoided depending). One thing that really is starting to annoy DM's especially is the Elves being all friendly with Drow... um.. wtfomfgbbqsauce?! I should kill you both for bad RP lol.. As jason has stated in another thread, elves absolutly hate the drow, they will seek to kill them all given the chance... hm.. like... Elves are to Jews as Drow are to Nazis... give you a good enough picture?

Now we as DM's have run a FEW evil campaigns.. but keep in mind the moment anyone discovers your evil, that basically ends your happy life on the server.. People will shun you, come after you, kill you, annoy you, what ever. Especially those paladins tee hee

Point in the matter.... Dont pick a UD/Tief without dealing with the consequences, and there are far more than that +4 ECL that you need to deal with.

-Ice

[jmlfoo]

Aug 5, 2008 6:45:18 GMT -5 jasonpauldegraaf said:

Oh yeah, and quit complaining.

Don't tell me to quit complaining I am not playing UD PC nor I am not evil. This revelation might make my rant to look more stupid - well, you cannot win always, not even when you're not drow But now that you've said that, I guess I have no further to say for this matter. I got the point clear and issues resolved that remained in my head. I am new to this RP stuff so bear with my persistant doubt of how things are.

[shawnystyle77]

Aug 6, 2008 0:33:21 GMT -5 jmlfoo said:

Aug 5, 2008 6:45:18 GMT -5 jasonpauldegraaf said:

Oh yeah, and quit complaining.

Don't tell me to quit complaining I am not playing UD PC nor I am not evil. This revelation might make my rant to look more stupid - well, you cannot win always, not even when you're not drow But now that you've said that, I guess I have no further to say for this matter. I got the point clear and issues resolved that remained in my head. I am new to this RP stuff so bear with my persistant doubt of how things are.

I dont think jason was telling YOU specifically to quit complaining, he's rather unlikely to provoke anyone, me on the other hand... Some people become quite hostile OOC when they are attacked, I dont see why, as you lose nothing, and get all your spells replenished for free.

Actually most people who I havent encountered in racial PVP have been very cool and enjoyed it. Contrary to popular belief I dont even KOS the first time. It may be perceived that way, but if lets say my char where to see a halforc. I approach him and make some sort of accusation, "you trying to steal a baby to eat arent you!". If the orc were to simply say No, all is well. If he becomes threatening or casts a spell, he is hostile.

This is what seems to throw people off the most. If you are holding a sword and threaten to stab, dismember, decapitate or impale someone you would in reality be taken seriously and dealt with appropriately.. IE self-defense or withdrawl. On the same hand if a character, especially a non magic using character, is suspiscious of someone... and said person begins casting spells, that is to be considered an attack.

All it really takes is to put your person into that chars shoes and that is the basis of good RP. If you were Joe Paladin, and didn't know about cars or helicopters or Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and encountered a Drow, a dark twisted elf with evil eyes, to you he's pretty much the Boogey man, act accordingly. Its either fight or flight, you wouldnt give him the time to attack or cast a spell, let alone to tell you his life story and gain your trust.

[DEV Akavit]

Aug 6, 2008 13:43:30 GMT -5 shawnystyle77 said:

Aug 6, 2008 0:33:21 GMT -5 jmlfoo said:

Contrary to popular belief I dont even KOS the first time. It may be perceived that way, but if lets say my char where to see a halforc. I approach him and make some sort of accusation, "you trying to steal a baby to eat arent you!". If the orc were to simply say No, all is well. If he becomes threatening or casts a spell, he is hostile.

This is what seems to throw people off the most. If you are holding a sword and threaten to stab, dismember, decapitate or impale someone you would in reality be taken seriously and dealt with appropriately.. IE self-defense or withdrawl. On the same hand if a character, especially a non magic using character, is suspiscious of someone... and said person begins casting spells, that is to be considered an attack.

This is what I consider good balance. If you are playing a good-aligned character, kill on sight is unfitting. Good people will not have the hardened conscience that will allow them to walk up to an unarmed and non-threatening person and cut his throat. Kill on sight would be something more befitting of non-lawful, non-good characters. Only extreme fear would tempt a good person to commit what he would consider unprovoked murder. Even then, running away would probably be more likely. But woe to the drow who runs across a lawful evil character. Capture, torture, imprisonment, more torture and death would be a real possibility.

Those who wish to play a character that is likely to inspire hostility ought to use the opportunity to have some rp fun. Walking away from the roads, hiding in caves by day and wearing hoods would make it feel like one was really hiding from danger. This would also give players a good rp reason to leave them alone.

As a closing statement, I would like to bring up a point mentioned in the role player's guide at NW Vault. The purpose of role-playing is to have fun. As a player, everyone is responsible for making their character enjoyable to interact with. Good rp is not a good excuse for ruining another's fun. So do keep up the role-playing, but if it looks like one player's rp will come at the expense of another's fun, then it is best to find a plausible reason to break away from the situation.

Example: A level 15 chaotic neutral ranger sees a level 3 drow. He confronts the drow and proclaims a death sentence. The player for the ranger realizes at this point, that the battle is lopsided and will not be enjoyable for the other player. Inventive rp comes into play and the ranger then pretends to be generous and let the drow off the hook. The ranger then proceeds to spy on the drow, certain that he will learn about some evil plot. At some point, the sneaky drow throws pursuit and the ranger is forced to leave disappointed.

[lorgin2003]

Aug 12, 2008 23:47:52 GMT -5 DEV Akavit said:

Capture, torture, imprisonment, more torture and death would be a real possibility.

sounds like phantom's MO. although, with the luxury of raise dead scrolls, death isn't always the end to the torture. on another server, he has been known to raise a drow just to torture him some more. damn elf wouldn't cough up the info.

[deserk]

Ehm, excuse me, but there seems to be a big mistake here.

Deep Gnomes are not evil, and there are many other Underdark subraces (such as Urdunnir Dwarves, Deep Halflings, Deep Imaskari, etc) that are not necessarily evil.

Deep Gnomes are usually stealth specialists and tricksters, and usually are neutral. Some of them are trustworthy, some of them are not. They are not bloodthirsty killers like the Drow. They also hate the Drow, and they might kill them, but they won't kill others for no reason.

[x0ts0x]

True, deep gnomes ain't evil as drow. However, 'surface folk' are suspicous against that particular race, hence accusing them for being evil.

[akasha]

I was just attacked by a drow instantly on transition. I did not get a chance to refuse, rp, or anything. Drow are evil; ya ya ya. I did not even get a chance to see what it was until knock out.

It would be appropriate if I got a heads up. Something like: "It's a human spy." Or, "A witness, kill her quick." Then, do your killing.

I would say, "It's a drow, get it." That is, before I went PKing the newb.

That is all; just proper edicate.

[joey1666]

Happened to me to only i ran after i heard "another, kill him to join me" I wasnt even fully loaded when i saw that.. im lvl two less then a minute from baldurs gate, nice RP.