Post by gwydion669 on Jul 13, 2008 11:08:12 GMT -5
Greetings all! I hope no one minds me opening a new thread. The Harper Faction thread was getting kind of cluttered, and it was turning more into a debate on “out of game” secrecy online in regards to secret faction groups.
To me, that could be an interesting topic of discussion and applies to ALL secret groups, not just the Harpers. Hence, this thread.
Now, let me make this perfectly clear … if a DM or Admin should ever say “This is the way it’s gonna be, debate over,” as far as I’m concerned, it’s over. This thread should be effectively closed. To me, it will be a topic verboten.
DnD rule #1: NEVER ANNOY THE DM!
Forum rule #1: NEVER ANNOY THE MODERATOR OR ADMIN!
Also, I would like to add that in a discussion thread, I don’t believe there should be any personal attacks. I believe that everything posted as opinion is factual truth and not a mistake to be corrected.
When person A says “This is what I believe” and person B says “Well, my point of view is this,” NEITHER of them is wrong. They are stating facts. That is what they believe and everyone is entitled to an opinion (unless it annoys a DM, ADMIN, or MOD … then you’re toast, sorry dude).
I think that alternate views should be posted on this thread. Please be so kind as to explain your reasons, however.
Person A, “I think this.” Person B, “I think the opposite.” <crickets proceed to chirp>
Ummm … guys? That’s a poll.
Anyone reading this thread may end up saying, “You know, I never looked at it in that way ….” There’s no harm in that, is there?
Now for any bored individuals who may have decided to follow this thread over from the Harper thread, I would like to make a few disclaimers.
1) As of this time, I, personally, have not communicated with the “Harper DM” about anything concerning harpers beyond posting “my character wants to be a harper and is doing this ….” in the thread. If Ice is handling the Harpers, I have talked to him outside of the thread only concerning completely unrelated matters.
2) Also, the same can be said for harpers. I’ve talked with several players OOC on the topic and not one of them has identified themselves as having a harper character and said “We, the established harpers in this PW, say this.” One or more of them MAY have been the players of harpers, but they have not identified themselves as such. If they wish to protect their identity, that is perfectly fine with me.
General Warning Concerning Gwydion669: If you haven’t guessed yet, I tend to be on the “long winded” side. Sorry if it annoys you, but this old dog’s not gonna learn the succinctness trick any time soon. Also, I like to wildly exaggerate my examples. I like to entertain others. When that fails … well, I’m still finding it entertaining to myself.
Now … this has been a long post and I don’t want to strain your eyes. And I wanna go play for a bit. My next post will come later and explain my personal views on this topic (which I’m sure some will disagree with while others might agree). If this topic is of interest to you and you want to post your own thoughts, feel free to beat me to it.
On a side note, please allow me to respectfully request that discussion with me on this topic be limited to this forum or PM’s. I find the older I get, the less playtime I have. If you see me in game, feel free to join any of my characters in an adventure or even a round of drinks while discussing the growing season of grapes in Tethyr. I really don’t want to do a lot of typing in OOC tells while a gnoll is gnawing on my leg. Don’t take this the wrong way. I pretty much will talk to anyone about anything at any time. But I’d prefer to talk OOC when I don’t have access to the internet with a ‘puter with NWN2 on it. On the rare times that all comes together, I’d much rather play.
To me, that could be an interesting topic of discussion and applies to ALL secret groups, not just the Harpers. Hence, this thread.
Now, let me make this perfectly clear … if a DM or Admin should ever say “This is the way it’s gonna be, debate over,” as far as I’m concerned, it’s over. This thread should be effectively closed. To me, it will be a topic verboten.
DnD rule #1: NEVER ANNOY THE DM!
Forum rule #1: NEVER ANNOY THE MODERATOR OR ADMIN!
Also, I would like to add that in a discussion thread, I don’t believe there should be any personal attacks. I believe that everything posted as opinion is factual truth and not a mistake to be corrected.
When person A says “This is what I believe” and person B says “Well, my point of view is this,” NEITHER of them is wrong. They are stating facts. That is what they believe and everyone is entitled to an opinion (unless it annoys a DM, ADMIN, or MOD … then you’re toast, sorry dude).
I think that alternate views should be posted on this thread. Please be so kind as to explain your reasons, however.
Person A, “I think this.” Person B, “I think the opposite.” <crickets proceed to chirp>
Ummm … guys? That’s a poll.
Anyone reading this thread may end up saying, “You know, I never looked at it in that way ….” There’s no harm in that, is there?
Now for any bored individuals who may have decided to follow this thread over from the Harper thread, I would like to make a few disclaimers.
1) As of this time, I, personally, have not communicated with the “Harper DM” about anything concerning harpers beyond posting “my character wants to be a harper and is doing this ….” in the thread. If Ice is handling the Harpers, I have talked to him outside of the thread only concerning completely unrelated matters.
2) Also, the same can be said for harpers. I’ve talked with several players OOC on the topic and not one of them has identified themselves as having a harper character and said “We, the established harpers in this PW, say this.” One or more of them MAY have been the players of harpers, but they have not identified themselves as such. If they wish to protect their identity, that is perfectly fine with me.
General Warning Concerning Gwydion669: If you haven’t guessed yet, I tend to be on the “long winded” side. Sorry if it annoys you, but this old dog’s not gonna learn the succinctness trick any time soon. Also, I like to wildly exaggerate my examples. I like to entertain others. When that fails … well, I’m still finding it entertaining to myself.
Now … this has been a long post and I don’t want to strain your eyes. And I wanna go play for a bit. My next post will come later and explain my personal views on this topic (which I’m sure some will disagree with while others might agree). If this topic is of interest to you and you want to post your own thoughts, feel free to beat me to it.
On a side note, please allow me to respectfully request that discussion with me on this topic be limited to this forum or PM’s. I find the older I get, the less playtime I have. If you see me in game, feel free to join any of my characters in an adventure or even a round of drinks while discussing the growing season of grapes in Tethyr. I really don’t want to do a lot of typing in OOC tells while a gnoll is gnawing on my leg. Don’t take this the wrong way. I pretty much will talk to anyone about anything at any time. But I’d prefer to talk OOC when I don’t have access to the internet with a ‘puter with NWN2 on it. On the rare times that all comes together, I’d much rather play.