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Post by Forumlord of Talos on Jan 24, 2009 6:25:16 GMT -5
Not to cater to Raenir's power build ways But here is something to consider
Samurai didn't walk around in armor all day usually it was typical Kimono or Yakima.
Samurai were also very disciplined in their art so yes I can see weapon master being a good fit
they are as equally skilled with a bow as they are with a blade
all that said I offer this as a mix seeing as how we are breaking from the typical class stereotypes
Monk/Ranger/Weapon master/Duelist
Monk to show a Samurai's discipline
Ranger to show his skill with the Yumi
Weapon master to represent his mastery of his katana
Duelist to show focus and finesse with his weapon in offense and defense
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Post by CartMid on Jan 24, 2009 9:36:12 GMT -5
Right now I'm playing a Halfling wannabe Ninja just for the sake of the funny RP ;D
If you want to play the Oriental guy you definetly have to get a Monk lvl somewhere.
I would recomend Fighter/Monk/Weapon Master for a samurai, though I'm not expert about builds.
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Post by DM blessedone on Jan 24, 2009 12:23:37 GMT -5
I agree, keep it simple. A Fighter/WM sounds like a good start. You will have acess to many feats with the Fighter but do not have a wide skill selection which will really hurt the RP aspect of it in the end. As for duel wield....well, you could just focus your efforts on the Katana and Short Sword (Wakizashi is a Japanese short sword which literally means 'side arm' and the Tanto is the dagger) or just focus all efforts on the Katana and do not go duel wield at all which would really free up your Feats for your fighter and you could then do other things with your feats instead of eating them up with duel wield stuff or having to take levels in Ranger. In my mind, a Samurai is a gentlemen and an artist as well as a leader, but, do not make them mad becuase they are warriors first and foremost. With or without their blade. I suggest a couple of different combos to look at... Fighter/Paladin/WM - Fighter/Monk/WM - Fighter/Rogue/WM - Fighter/Rogue/FB I chose these combos here because, Fighters have acess to a wide range of Feats, but, not much in the way of skills. Monks can fight without weapons at all and have the whole Eastern Philosophy thing, nuff said. Rogues have a wide selection of skills to choose from and Weapon Master for the obvious reasons and of course the Frenzied Berserker for your idea of being that...."Oh he has snapped now!" kind of Samurai. Just remember, if you choose WM, you will need a DEX./INT. of at least 13 to open those feats required and if you choose Frenzied Berserker, you cannot be Lawful.......Now, it will be up to you what kind of Samurai you want and how you see yourself RPing this guy/gal so that you can come up with the combo that best suits what your looking for. Paladin/Monk is a kewl idea, but, I agree......seems like it would suffer greatly. Then again, are we not all here for the fun of RP?  |
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Post by Jiszo on Jan 24, 2009 12:41:15 GMT -5
Ronin is not a traitor. He can be lawful. He just lost his master. Dismissed by him or lost him in battle. Doesnt mean he killed him. Just means he didnt commit the Harakiri. Which makes him lose the honor, becoming ronin. Not always, it could be that he went again his masters orders and was sentenced to death. A samurai's code is based on honer, if his lord for example told him to kill a child and he did not he could still keep his honor but would be hunted by his lord for disobeying him. For a ronin chaotic would only fit if he is rebelling against his own code or for rp purposes is trying to find himself again. Lawful is still perfectly acceptable but still isnt as likely. I would recommend not going dual wield, yes samurai's did it at times but not as ofter as most would think. The katana was the main weapon of a samurai in outdoor fights, they typicly used the wakasashi in indoor fights. the reason for the change of blade would be for manuverablity. The katana is a long blade and you would have to be careful of getting it stuck in the wall when fighting indoors, the wakashi allowed you to fight more freely indoors. I would also recommend caring a tonto ( or dagger) for rp purposes. A samurai always carried one in case they had to perform sabaku ( for those who don't know this is the act of committing suicide in order to preserve there honor). For race I would definitely say human. I would say Monk for they were usually skilled in hand to hand, but not always. A samurai's true skilled resided in his blade. I would say go Fighter and the WM. I would not recommend going FB as others would say. it's not the a samurai's or in this case ex samurai's style to lose there kool in battle. they focused a lot on self control. Since are ronin then I would say take a few lvls as rogue if it fit the rp. A ronin is constantly on the road and so he has to be sneaky at times also since his code of honor isn't there he doesn't mind fighting dirty so the sneak would make sense. Ranger for tracking and go combat style of bow. And last but not least Divine Champion for smite infidel and sacred defense. Idk, how you would work the lvls, thats up to you but thought this might help. |
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Post by thegnomeherder on Jan 24, 2009 15:19:56 GMT -5
Wear a Robe and use a Katana!!
Thats all I have to say.
No more Falchions we have enough people weilding those for the massive crits.
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Post by Jiszo on Jan 24, 2009 15:29:18 GMT -5
Wear a Robe and use a Katana!! Thats all I have to say. No more Falchions we have enough people weilding those for the massive crits. No robes. I would think either studded leather or breastplate would be the types to get. Studded leather is for the archers and breastplate for the warriors. They didn't always run around fully armored, only when they were going into battle. I would say if you want for rp you can walk around in a kimono when in the city and any other areas were enemies are not around. |
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Post by CartMid on Jan 24, 2009 15:44:11 GMT -5
Wear a Robe and use a Katana!! Thats all I have to say. No more Falchions we have enough people weilding those for the massive crits. No robes. I would think either studded leather or breastplate would be the types to get. Studded leather is for the archers and breastplate for the warriors. They didn't always run around fully armored, only when they were going into battle. I would say if you want for rp you can walk around in a kimono when in the city and any other areas were enemies are not around. I agree with the robe stuff... and also you you have a high dex it's better than the light armor. KenJutsu Fighters wear kimonos. |
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Post by maximvs on Jan 24, 2009 16:39:02 GMT -5
Interesting thread. Ive made a halfilng that looks a lot like a samurai, name's Kefka, he s a halfling with a two handed katana and a full plate armor, and he seeks to make his weapon the best one in the land...
Not exactly a samurai but very alike. his build is simple, fighter / weapon master.
But i do agree that barbarian levels reflect a type of samurai, as they sort of draw out the rage in them and focus it.
barbarian, fighter, frenzy berzerkers and weapon masters seems to reflect the samurai the best in my eyes.
monks learn to fight with their bare hands, it fits a little, but not with much levels, and you ll need so many stats in all str dex and con just to be a good fighter ( as you ll want to wear light armor to reflect the samurai style ), your monk lvls wont help you much. Barbarians have d12 hit dice, along with damage resistance and uncanny dodge, which would represent his arduous physical training and his keen senses, but without the monk fist specialisation. Monks have medium base attack bonus, remember that the best way a samurai can defeat an opponent is in the shortest amount of movements. Killing an opponent in one blow is true mastery for a samurai.
paladins, rangers, blackguards, they have divine powers, they dont fit much with the samurai I think... Well, the ranger fits the best among the three.
rogue, perhaps... assassin? not at all...
duelist and swashbuclers seems to reflect a lot more of a samurai than we would first think, too bad it only works with rapiers and small weapons.
Id do a barbarian / fighter / weaponmaster if he focus on the katana, or just barbarian / fighter if he wish to dual weild katana and wakizashi, and use the bow as well ; NG, NE or TN, just roleplay it as if he was lawfull instead of neutral.
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Post by Jiszo on Jan 24, 2009 18:35:59 GMT -5
Interesting thread. Ive made a halfilng that looks a lot like a samurai, name's Kefka, he s a halfling with a two handed katana and a full plate armor, and he seeks to make his weapon the best one in the land... Not exactly a samurai but very alike. his build is simple, fighter / weapon master. But i do agree that barbarian levels reflect a type of samurai, as they sort of draw out the rage in them and focus it. barbarian, fighter, frenzy berzerkers and weapon masters seems to reflect the samurai the best in my eyes. monks learn to fight with their bare hands, it fits a little, but not with much levels, and you ll need so many stats in all str dex and con just to be a good fighter ( as you ll want to wear light armor to reflect the samurai style ), your monk lvls wont help you much. Barbarians have d12 hit dice, along with damage resistance and uncanny dodge, which would represent his arduous physical training and his keen senses, but without the monk fist specialisation. Monks have medium base attack bonus, remember that the best way a samurai can defeat an opponent is in the shortest amount of movements. Killing an opponent in one blow is true mastery for a samurai. paladins, rangers, blackguards, they have divine powers, they dont fit much with the samurai I think... Well, the ranger fits the best among the three. rogue, perhaps... assassin? not at all... duelist and swashbuclers seems to reflect a lot more of a samurai than we would first think, too bad it only works with rapiers and small weapons. Id do a barbarian / fighter / weaponmaster if he focus on the katana, or just barbarian / fighter if he wish to dual weild katana and wakizashi, and use the bow as well ; NG, NE or TN, just roleplay it as if he was lawful instead of neutral. Well first off traditional samurai armor is breastplate armor. Full plate has a higher armor bonus but is very restricting in terms of movement and speed. If possible to get I would think mitheral breastplate would be the best armor for the job. As far a barbarian lvl's go, I would disagree with it. Samurai were fierce warriors but they trained and honed the skills through meditation, self control, and Bushido. Personally I picture a barbaian as a savage fighter who loses him self in battle. I don't see a barbarian able to maintain self control in battle. I do agree that monk lvls won't be that beneficial but I would imagine it would allow for some additional rp. A samurai's primary weapon was the katana and secondary wakasashi. I agree that black guard and paladins don't fit but a ranger can fit especially if there a ronin. Also samuria revered nature and embraced it's natural beauty. assassin does not fite for that is a job of a ninja. rougue can only fit if they are ronin and I only see that it does for the sneak att. the ronins in pnp had sneak att. Duelist would fit if you weren't restricted to using a light weapon and I'm not to sure about the swashbuckler class. I haven't seeing it yet for pc only on pnp. Dual wielding is ok idea but is rare. A samurai would only carry four weapons a diasho, a tonto and a yumi. The concept of dual wield would have to have good rp reasons behind it. A samurai was traditionally only given on Katana which came in the diasho during the Genbuku ceremony. You of course can do what ever you want, its your character not anyone elses. I thought of making a samurai myself but was waiting for Soz content to be added before doing so. I think some of the new content would help a lot in making one. In pnp the samurai class was replace by the kensai ( not sure if thats how you spell it) class. In any case good luck in making one, you will have to do a lot of research and character tweaking. If you have any question feel free to ask, Samurai's are on of my favorite topics. Also below is a link to wikipedia's site. It has some good info on it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai |
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Post by xaentian on Jan 29, 2009 14:04:23 GMT -5
Ronin Samuri
Fighter 12, Weapon Master 7, Divine Champion 6, Frenzied Berserker 5
Enjoy
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