Jiszo
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Post by Jiszo on Jan 24, 2009 12:02:38 GMT -5
Perhaps we would see some Sorcerer-Dragon Disciples instead of Warrior-Dragon Disciples if the class would give out the bonus spells according to PnP. Considering how the game is, perhaps it could be worked around as '1/2 spell casting progression', the way it is done with the War Priest prestige class. I will have to admit how I would be more keen on making; Sorcerer/Red Dragon Disciple/Eldritch Knight build. I've made those in the past, and the +five spell casting levels would rock. ;D This is the only reason I want RDD, ICE was supposed to go the route of RDD but since it was banned I went the route of PM. I used to make them all the time in pnp. Some consider it a powerbuild but I had rp reasons to back it. Also wings and a tail would be awesome. to bad they cant fly.
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Post by Zealote on Jan 24, 2009 12:06:46 GMT -5
Yay! Big time super cheese! ;D
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Post by Jiszo on Jan 24, 2009 12:08:29 GMT -5
Yay! Big time super cheese! ;D ;D lol. Don't hate.
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Post by DM haunted on Jan 24, 2009 13:01:16 GMT -5
Well, as a DM you can see everyone's class....And more than half of the Sword Coast's population was related to a red dragon.
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Post by Tiefling on Jan 24, 2009 13:05:50 GMT -5
Dragons' have their needs aswell. ;D
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Post by Tiefling on Jan 24, 2009 13:47:14 GMT -5
But on bit more serious attitude: It is a wonderful build for role-playing purposes. I've liked role-playing them. Thus it is a shame it cannot be used. The reasons for the ban are valid. However, if you can edit class requirements. The most glaring power build uses could be avoided by simply making Red Dragon Disciple require being able to cast third or fifth level spells in addition to being a bard or a sorcerer. This way, Red Dragon Disciple class would require at least 9-15 levels in bard or 6-10 levels in sorcerer. I played an Bard/Red Dragon Disciple in NWN and I'd say it is strong build in it's own right. (The reason why I didn't play it in NWN2 is that there are no wings to be had. Yes, I'm shallow when it comes to wings. ) With max level being at 30, and slow experience gain for near Epic levels and beyond. It really makes most powerbuilds impossible to make.
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Jan 24, 2009 13:50:16 GMT -5
Well, as a DM you can see everyone's class....And more than half of the Sword Coast's population was related to a red dragon. So, so, so true! However after RDD was banned, that half of the server switched to SD.
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Post by raenir on Jan 24, 2009 13:50:51 GMT -5
why not just have it by request and have some kind of quota system. Then you wont have half the server being it
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Post by Jiszo on Jan 24, 2009 14:38:47 GMT -5
But on bit more serious attitude: It is a wonderful build for role-playing purposes. I've liked role-playing them. Thus it is a shame it cannot be used. The reasons for the ban are valid. However, if you can edit class requirements. The most glaring power build uses could be avoided by simply making Red Dragon Disciple require being able to cast third or fifth level spells in addition to being a bard or a sorcerer. This way, Red Dragon Disciple class would require at least 9-15 levels in bard or 6-10 levels in sorcerer. I played an Bard/Red Dragon Disciple in NWN and I'd say it is strong build in it's own right. (The reason why I didn't play it in NWN2 is that there are no wings to be had. Yes, I'm shallow when it comes to wings. ) With max level being at 30, and slow experience gain for near Epic levels and beyond. It really makes most powerbuilds impossible to make. Nicely put tiefling. bravo. I do agree.
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Post by eldur(retired) on Jan 24, 2009 16:09:51 GMT -5
If we were to ever consider bringing back the RDD class, it would be without the attribute bonuses.
The RDD could potentially still get the following:
1 +1 AC 3 2d10 breath 1/day 4 +1 AC 5 Blindfight 7 +1 AC, 4d10 breath 1/day 10 +1 AC, 6d10 breath 1/day, see invis 1/day, immune sleep, paralysis, fire, darkvision (halfdragon)
I'm afraid the stat bonuses are way out of balance and the main reason cheese builds choose RDD.
(and yes, most of us are clever enough to come up with a good r/p reason to justify our favorite flavor of cheese...but it's still cheese)
As of now though, we have no plans to re-introduce this prc.
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Post by Jiszo on Jan 24, 2009 18:53:56 GMT -5
If we were to ever consider bringing back the RDD class, it would be without the attribute bonuses. The RDD could potentially still get the following: 1 +1 AC 3 2d10 breath 1/day 4 +1 AC 5 Blindfight 7 +1 AC, 4d10 breath 1/day 10 +1 AC, 6d10 breath 1/day, see invis 1/day, immune sleep, paralysis, fire, darkvision (halfdragon) I'm afraid the stat bonuses are way out of balance and the main reason cheese builds choose RDD. (and yes, most of us are clever enough to come up with a good r/p reason to justify our favorite flavor of cheese...but it's still cheese) As of now though, we have no plans to re-introduce this prc. I think the ac bonus's should be +2 instead of one. and every other lvl you gain spells. I think it would kinda balance the class out since the str. bonuses would be taken away.
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Post by eldur(retired) on Jan 24, 2009 19:21:36 GMT -5
If we were to ever consider bringing back the RDD class, it would be without the attribute bonuses. The RDD could potentially still get the following: 1 +1 AC 3 2d10 breath 1/day 4 +1 AC 5 Blindfight 7 +1 AC, 4d10 breath 1/day 10 +1 AC, 6d10 breath 1/day, see invis 1/day, immune sleep, paralysis, fire, darkvision (halfdragon) I'm afraid the stat bonuses are way out of balance and the main reason cheese builds choose RDD. (and yes, most of us are clever enough to come up with a good r/p reason to justify our favorite flavor of cheese...but it's still cheese) As of now though, we have no plans to re-introduce this prc. I think the ac bonus's should be +2 instead of one. and every other lvl you gain spells. I think it would kinda balance the class out since the str. bonuses would be taken away. I do not forsee this class gaining additional spell casting levels. Once again, I doubt the class will come back, but if it does, it will be for r/p purposes only.
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Post by Zealote on Jan 24, 2009 21:34:26 GMT -5
But on bit more serious attitude: It is a wonderful build for role-playing purposes. I've liked role-playing them. Thus it is a shame it cannot be used. The reasons for the ban are valid. However, if you can edit class requirements. The most glaring power build uses could be avoided by simply making Red Dragon Disciple require being able to cast third or fifth level spells in addition to being a bard or a sorcerer. This way, Red Dragon Disciple class would require at least 9-15 levels in bard or 6-10 levels in sorcerer. I played an Bard/Red Dragon Disciple in NWN and I'd say it is strong build in it's own right. (The reason why I didn't play it in NWN2 is that there are no wings to be had. Yes, I'm shallow when it comes to wings. ) With max level being at 30, and slow experience gain for near Epic levels and beyond. It really makes most powerbuilds impossible to make. Agreed. The higher requisites to take RDD was one of my suggestions. My character used to be RDD, I like it too. With high requisites the class can be handled. I dont see the problem with the stats or anything else. The problem was the cheesy requisites. 5 lore and one lvl bard/sorc? Crazy. Im in favor of enhancing all requisites for all PrCs that are easy to get. Because lets be honest. The most powerful class ever is Stormlord, not RDD. A epic Stormlord can turn any class into goo in seconds. Specially a melee class. RDD vs Stormlord with the same lvl. Its not even a fight. Its a massacre. But the changing in the requisites was not important at the time, and the reduction of the super PBs was. Maybe in the future we can have RDD back with some changes.
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Post by raenir on Jan 25, 2009 1:15:23 GMT -5
I think the ac bonus's should be +2 instead of one. and every other lvl you gain spells. I think it would kinda balance the class out since the str. bonuses would be taken away. I do not forsee this class gaining additional spell casting levels. Once again, I doubt the class will come back, but if it does, it will be for r/p purposes only. does practiced spellcaster give spell levels?
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Post by Tiefling on Jan 25, 2009 1:44:35 GMT -5
Practiced spell caster only improves your spell power. It does not make you learn new or get additional spells.
Witht the feat; Rogue 3 / Wizard 5 can cast fireballs just the same as level 8 pure wizard could.
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