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Post by DM Cephas on Jan 7, 2009 20:44:35 GMT -5
Looks like it was updated: 14. Use the following levelling guidelines to avoid powerbuilds: You will need to have at least 3 levels in each of your classes by level 20. Makes sense to me. One note though, my character Kahlen is leveled thusly: Rogue: 11 Wiz: 1 AA: 4 SD: 1 I obviously wont be able to have 3 levels in each class by lvl 20 at this point. The RP behind these changes jives with his character story since being on the server... He picked up the 1 lvl of Wiz when adventuring and learning from Weave Masters, in order to allow him to become an Arcane Archer.. after he progressed through the AA lvls and the Ramset line unfolded, it was RP'd that the continual interaction with the shades/shadows and the shadow portals they used had somewhat corrupted Kahlen and opened him to the SD class. Plans were to move him along down the SD levels from here.. but with recent events (joining the Fist), I dont know whether or not I want to do that. So.. there are obviously SOME RP circumstances for these types of things. I dont mind if a rebuild is forced, or if he stays the same.. either way I am ok with it. Thanks!! Just changed the rule a bit so I modified your post. This is something we are only going to enforce moving forward. Rebuilds won't be mandatory for existing characters. JLFN, I hope I can add to your last comment and correct me if I'm off.... The exception to the rule primarily applies to epics or near-epics. In other words, if you're not yet lvl 17+, your next levels prior to lvl 20 need to be chosen to fit the rule. And if you're already epic/near-epic, please make plans to fit the rule as well. We know most of the epics already so we'll have a pretty good idea of who is exempted. |
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Post by hnefi on Jan 7, 2009 20:53:49 GMT -5
Tough, but fair. As a HiPSter warlock I'm hit hard by the rule, but that's perfectly okay IMO.
Interestingly, this will lead to a char that gets progressively weaker (relatively speaking) until lvl 20, then jumps in power almost every level until 30. Is that intended? Wouldn't it be better without the lvl 20 part of the rule?
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Post by DM Cephas on Jan 7, 2009 22:32:02 GMT -5
Tough, but fair. As a HiPSter warlock I'm hit hard by the rule, but that's perfectly okay IMO. Interestingly, this will lead to a char that gets progressively weaker (relatively speaking) until lvl 20, then jumps in power almost every level until 30. Is that intended? Wouldn't it be better without the lvl 20 part of the rule? This has the added benefit of keeping a not-so-honest player from claiming that he/she will take the last 2 levels of the class at lvls 29 and 30. In other words, the rule will not be enforceable if done so. And unfortunately, we've run across enough not-so-honest players to have to take such things into consideration.  |
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Post by hnefi on Jan 8, 2009 7:31:57 GMT -5
Heh, you're right of course. I'll cope.
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Post by Zealote on Jan 8, 2009 10:23:41 GMT -5
Heh, you're right of course. I'll cope. Karma to you for being polite in face of a power loss. Its rare. |
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Post by adzling on Jan 8, 2009 10:25:20 GMT -5
i've already adjusted my build plans to cope.
swapping out the cheese 1 level SD dip for 9 levels of assassin.
you may have heard this before but i'm begging you to implement reeron & kaedrin's spelll & class fixes.
besides nerfing some of the most horrendous spell exploits it also makes palemaster playable (closer to pnp) and enables an arcane trickster's sneak damage to work on ranged touch and touch attacks (as it should).
it allows any sneak dice (i.e. from assassin or BG) to be counted toward arcane trickster qualification (as it should, right now only rogue dice count due to bugsidian).
pretty please...
just leave out kaedrin's new classes as they can be..um...unbalancing...
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Post by driderman on Jan 8, 2009 12:56:41 GMT -5
One thing I'm wondering about, why is the Dragon Disciple banned? I mean, to get all the goodies from it you have to invest 10 levels in it. Isn't that a fair trade-off?
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Post by adzling on Jan 8, 2009 13:00:51 GMT -5
hahahaha rdd are ultimate cheese.
well actually svirf anythings are ultimate cheese.
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Post by raenir on Jan 8, 2009 13:02:45 GMT -5
well the half dragon template is supposed to give a ECL +2 or 4 or 5 or something like that, I personally find it useless as I only play Drow and get half those goodies it gives anyways. And Firebreath is worthless.
Pale master is playable, I have a friend wholl be joining the server soon with a sort of I think EK/PM/RW multiclass setup that makes good use of it I think.
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Post by driderman on Jan 8, 2009 13:21:23 GMT -5
Well, according to PnP if you play half-dragon as a race, there's a +3 ECL (I think it's +3, too lazy to find the book)
BUT, if you advance through the Dragon Disciple class there's no ECL increase, PnP or otherwise, as you just "paid" 10 levels to get the same bonus' that a halfdragon would for an effective cost of 3 levels. The cost of the powers are integrated in the class and it (supposedly) balances out.
Maybe I just don't have the imagination to realise the potential for abuse, but I can't really see the Dragon Disciple as any more overpowered that say, druids, clerics or any full-progression arcane caster
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Post by adzling on Jan 8, 2009 13:27:07 GMT -5
go play on tfr you'll see the cheese layed on in buckets with RDD builds all over the map along with cleric builds designed specifically to exploit the stone body spell bug and impossible to hit svirf's running around like tanks.
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Post by Tiefling on Jan 9, 2009 13:02:10 GMT -5
I agree with you. The Arcane Acher is to me still a wizard, but that uses a bow. And the Sacred Fist is as much cleric as it is a monk. So they should count as a violation of that rule. Well, this brings up a question on my behalf. Would blackguard levels be considered as a continuation for fighter levels? At least I think that a blackguard is a fighter, with some evil tricks instead of the usual fighter feat progression. |
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Post by adzling on Jan 9, 2009 13:19:20 GMT -5
blackguard is a kind of anti-paladin per description.
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Post by Tiefling on Jan 10, 2009 2:35:50 GMT -5
Any class can be 'anti-paladin' without the class desription. Heck, you can give or take paladin from that list solely depending on your view about the nature of being; Lawful Good.
- Elminster has only one fighter level. That awful powerbuilder.  |
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Post by Zealote on Jan 10, 2009 13:41:52 GMT -5
Any class can be 'anti-paladin' without the class desription. Heck, you can give or take paladin from that list solely depending on your view about the nature of being; Lawful Good.
- Elminster has only one fighter level. That awful powerbuilder. He also has rogue and bard if I remember correctly. Damn you Elminster! |
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