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Post by draken2223 on Dec 16, 2008 21:03:27 GMT -5
Here's an idea i came up with at work for this issue: theswordcoast.proboards89.com/index.cgi?board=generalissues&action=display&thread=1641Have an NPC that for a price can take away X number of xp and in return the player gets a token that they can turn back into the same NPC to get their xp back. Now to stop issues with the token's make them plot items so they can't be dropped, traded, or pick-pocketed. and so the system can't be exploited set a script on the token/s that once their received or turned in they save the character immediately, that way the players don't end up with extra token's or xp if the system crashes while their doing this. With all this it takes the issue out of the DM's hands so they can work on other things and the player's don't feel frustrated by accidentally choosing a wrong feat or skill |
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Post by Iceshard on Dec 16, 2008 21:11:43 GMT -5
We stopped these for several reasons, one of which players who wanted rebuilds so they could switch to Powerbuilds or other classes to make them selves more powerful.
Rebuilds will no longer be done unless a character is bugged with proper proof or some other dire need, in which case we will make sure EVERYTHING is set up exactly how it was prior to the bugged problem.
-Ice
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Post by DEV Jlf2n on Dec 17, 2008 8:18:19 GMT -5
Loudent2 is sending me a script he wrote up that would allow you one relevel per level and one full relevel from level 1 once a character build.
I'll look at it once I get done with the Underdark and we may implement this in the near future.
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Post by wildelf on Dec 17, 2008 11:04:09 GMT -5
Excellent. I guess he beat me to it. I've been trying to figure out a script that does similar, although my idea involved an NPC conversation. That idea sounds better, though.
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Post by whenwizardswar on Dec 17, 2008 11:44:49 GMT -5
If you ask me, leaveing rebuilds to npcs is a very very very bad idea.
The npcs wont check to make sure the pcs rebuild back to exact levels and so forth.
REbuilds, if you ask me should always, always be in dm control.
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Post by DM Cephas on Dec 17, 2008 11:57:38 GMT -5
One of the abuses for an automated system is that a person can re-level to take a craft magical item feat when an item needs to be crafted and then re-leveling to get a more "useful" feat.
One way this can be controlled so that it isn't abused is to limit the re-levels to 1 or 2 levels. Or have a timer where people can only re-level once a week or month. Since the biggest reason people want to re-level is because they accidentally chose the wrong feat at their current level, a one level rebuild won't be a big issue.
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Post by tristanvaneer on Dec 17, 2008 12:03:37 GMT -5
I realize that alot of staff members are usually against rebuilding and in some ways I can understand. Its easy to level a warrior at low levels and then its easy to switch that character to a caster at higher levels and reap the rewards of having power magic at their disposal. I can tell you however that as a player you may not realize what is the best option for you to choose a feat or even a class in some cases. Characters may come across plots that give them a reason to change their character. I don't think that these changes should be significant and players should try to plot out their characters in advance to avoid this sort of thing, but it is nice when a DM or someone else can help you make a slight adjustment to make you character play better.
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Post by DM Cephas on Dec 17, 2008 12:22:00 GMT -5
I realize that alot of staff members are usually against rebuilding and in some ways I can understand. Its easy to level a warrior at low levels and then its easy to switch that character to a caster at higher levels and reap the rewards of having power magic at their disposal. I can tell you however that as a player you may not realize what is the best option for you to choose a feat or even a class in some cases. Characters may come across plots that give them a reason to change their character. I don't think that these changes should be significant and players should try to plot out their characters in advance to avoid this sort of thing, but it is nice when a DM or someone else can help you make a slight adjustment to make you character play better. If it comes to plots or the like, we'll make adjustments of course. I wouldn't mind the re-leveling as a DM but it really takes us away from giving you guys events or helping out in other ways. It's difficult when you just log on or are in the middle of an event and someone asks you to re-level. I try not to sound rude but a quick, "I'm in the middle of an event" may come off that way because I'm feverishly typing away and clicking buttons to try to keep an event going. I personally vote for a controlled automated re-leveling system (I prefer the one level downgrade/upgrade). It should strike a decent compromise. |
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Post by luna on Dec 17, 2008 12:40:04 GMT -5
Maybe staff would consider opening an RP adjust/rebuild forum on the message board where a player can apply for a partial rebuild or minor tweak to their character.
Once in a while it seems that players who use the same char for a long time start to veer in a different direction with their character which warrants minor a adjustment or some type, although usually not a full rebuild.
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Post by DM Cephas on Dec 17, 2008 12:46:08 GMT -5
Maybe staff would consider opening an RP adjust/rebuild forum on the message board where a player can apply for a partial rebuild or minor tweak to their character. Once in a while it seems that players who use the same char for a long time start to veer in a different direction with their character which warrants minor a adjustment or some type, although usually not a full rebuild. This may not be required since DM's will probably know when a person has RP'ed well enough to warrant a change in direction. We've done so on one or two occasions already but I'm not opposed to the idea as well. |
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Post by shorn on Dec 17, 2008 12:50:37 GMT -5
Perhaps, since DM's do not mind giving rebuilds, something could be factored into that scrip that allows a DM to merely give permission for a rebuild? Say a single use plot item? Just a thought.
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Post by shorn on Dec 17, 2008 12:51:56 GMT -5
Also, I should note, some classes cannot be done without a full character rebuild from another character file. RDD is one, so thats no problem here, but I seem to remember there being others.
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Post by DM Cephas on Dec 17, 2008 13:06:24 GMT -5
Perhaps, since DM's do not mind giving rebuilds, something could be factored into that scrip that allows a DM to merely give permission for a rebuild? Say a single use plot item? Just a thought. This perhaps is too easy to exploit or abuse. If a DM is too busy, s/he may just give permission without overseeing the process. |
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Dec 17, 2008 13:36:37 GMT -5
Perhaps we should just stick to what the thread on rebuilds says instead of trying to change it already?
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Post by tristanvaneer on Dec 17, 2008 18:00:41 GMT -5
DMs could have a spot on the server where they are able to teleport a character and have an NPC waiting there with the ability to remove current exp and give it back. That way players can't access it on a whim and DMs don't have to spend alot of time helping with the relevel. Problem comes in when its a rebuild and not a relevel. Like Cephas mentioned... it can be time consuming and when the server goes Live instead of Beta like it is now they won't have even the little bit of time that they do now. DM burnout was a big problem on the last server I played on and I'd rather not see it here... have some patience when it comes to dealing with that... they are probably already dealing with at least one and if not more players with the same type of requests that you have.
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