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Post by DeathlessFigure on Nov 30, 2008 10:48:23 GMT -5
About detection.... While playing Norol sometimes(quite often) characters with something like 1 or 2 in spot/listen can detect him while in stealth mode and his hide is 33 and move silently 33. Should it really be this easy to detect someone or is it a NWN2 or PW's bug ? This ruins the whole fun part of sneaking... And I feel rather stupid if others can see me while trying to sneak pass them  |
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Post by mingming on Nov 30, 2008 11:02:19 GMT -5
I believe that NWN1 and NWN2 both have a silly engine default of rolling a Natural 1 and Natural 20 working not only on Saving Throws and To-Hit rolls, but also on Skill Checks. This isn't so bad on static checks against hard DC's, as it gives a PC a chance to find a plot necessary door or widget. But on opposed checks such as Hide/Move Silent versus Spot/Listen, it's a pain in the butt. It basically means no matter how good you are, 1 in 20 checks against you are gonna succeed automatically. :-(
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Post by DeathlessFigure on Nov 30, 2008 11:06:19 GMT -5
I just hope NWN devs do something about it some day  |
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Post by eldur(retired) on Nov 30, 2008 11:07:11 GMT -5
Sneaking can be detected by the listen skill as well.
I believe a successful Spot check will reveal you completely, and a successful Listen check will reveal you as a shadow.
If someone is near and sees you hide, they may see you as a shadow regardless of skill if you don't have Hide in Plain Sight.
Sometimes if you are in a party, the other parties members can see you, but it's not very common for that to happen.
As you are using hide in plain sight, maybe they rolled a natural 20 on their spot check?
I could see if this happened when your skill was 20 because your skill is within about 20 of their detection skills, but does it still happen in the 30s?
Let me know.
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Post by wildelf on Nov 30, 2008 11:08:56 GMT -5
Consider the 1 as "stumbling and making loud noise" and the 20 as "just happened to have looked right at you for awhile." It makes sense, actually. Rarely is anything done perfectly each time.
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Post by DeathlessFigure on Nov 30, 2008 11:10:04 GMT -5
Yes it still happens... Just today Antan saw me and his spot/listen is 1 or so he said ;D
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Post by eldur(retired) on Nov 30, 2008 11:18:24 GMT -5
Well, you can always unhide, speak with him, and rehide 6 seconds later  |
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Post by sen on Nov 30, 2008 11:23:21 GMT -5
This is an issue that nearly drove me crazy in several rogue modules I played. It´s gotta be the natural 20/Spot or 1/Move Silently/Hide.
It wouldn´t be that annoying if they coded it so you can only get a natural 20 success if you have enough skill points to make it with a 19. Unfortunately dice rolls are probably as hardcoded as they get, I would cry if someone would be able to fix that.
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Post by DeathlessFigure on Nov 30, 2008 11:25:18 GMT -5
Good thing I got some bluff skill points  Well, you can always unhide, speak with him, and rehide 6 seconds later |
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Post by Zealote on Nov 30, 2008 13:32:59 GMT -5
Well that happens to me with specific characters. For example, sen's character Rowina cant spot me, but Aiden McBride can everytime, and i have 30+ hide, move silent and Hips. Its kinda weird.
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Post by sen on Nov 30, 2008 13:37:02 GMT -5
Rowina clearly has bad eyesight. It´s because of the glaring aura of religious fanatsim constantly around her.
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Post by luna on Nov 30, 2008 16:07:18 GMT -5
Also, a player rolls a spot and listen check every round against you.
Something is wrong though is you have 30 hide / ms, and somebody with not spot or listen can find you.
Maybe stealth is broken with 1.21 patch.
In previous testing with stealth, it seemed that 10 and higher was where you want to be skill point wise against a listen and spot check to have some success.
And 20 above is no problem at all to stay un-detected.
Also if a person is standing still they get a +5 to listen I think if you are walking by them.
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Post by DeathlessFigure on Nov 30, 2008 16:26:05 GMT -5
Could hardcore have something to do with this ?
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Post by Zealote on Nov 30, 2008 16:37:38 GMT -5
I think not. My character could be seen by Aiden since he had hide 26 and Aiden had 7 spot, that was way back before the patch and new settings. Sometimes i feel like its choosing the characters that will spot you and just stay like this forever....lol
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Post by DeathlessFigure on Nov 30, 2008 18:14:14 GMT -5
I think not. My character could be seen by Aiden since he had hide 26 and Aiden had 7 spot, that was way back before the patch and new settings. Sometimes i feel like its choosing the characters that will spot you and just stay like this forever....lol LoL Damn I hope it won't pick Aiden or any others from the Fitst for me O.o |
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