Minor gripe w module.

[gamerguy1]

2 quick issues. With the module.

But first id like to say good work again. I played 4 hours straight on Saturday and thoroughly enjoyed myself.

But I have to gripe about the really high UMD rolls. Scrolls are worthless right now and my skill is 9.
The other gripe is its too dark. Dark enough to complain for people who have stigmatisms....kidding....But could you make more light items available to the players??

Thanks

[eldur(retired)]

"You must make a DC check of 25 plus the level of the spell to cast a spell from a scroll if the difficulty mode of the game is set to Hardcore or higher. "



nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Use_magic_device


We are on difficulty Hardcore here.
Scroll use on hardcore is brutal.



As for the light, have you tried to adjust the gamma?

It's rough at times for humans, which is why I tend to carry a torch.

Nov 26, 2008 21:53:35 GMT -5 gamerguy1 said:

2 quick issues. With the module.

But first id like to say good work again. I played 4 hours straight on Saturday and thoroughly enjoyed myself.

But I have to gripe about the really high UMD rolls. Scrolls are worthless right now and my skill is 9.
The other gripe is its too dark. Dark enough to complain for
people who have stigmatisms....kidding....But could you make more light items available to the players??

Thanks

[lorgin2003]

is it possible to do something about the UMD check? it's pretty much impossible to use scrolls with it until you get near epic levels, and even then it's still a pain in the ass.

[luna]

Was this caused by the 1.21 patch. I noticed some items I could wear pre 1.21 patch cannot be worn by my char anymore.

It's tough walking around with no boots on. Kala's feet get cold.

[eldur(retired)]

fyi - Boots of the sunsoul +1 and +2 now require 11 UMD.

If you are effected by this and do not plan on raising UMD further for the boots, let me know and I'll refund the items with gold.

The current refund values are:

Boots of Sunsoul +1: 1000g
Boots of Sunsoul +2: 4500g

[larkin]

Nov 26, 2008 21:53:35 GMT -5 gamerguy1 said:

The other gripe is its too dark.

Try to turn off the environment shadows. It helps immensly with that issue.

[caveman282]

I like the high umd right now. A normal person shouldnt be able to use acrane or divine scrolls without a lot of training. But with that said a cheat to get aroud it is to take one lvl of a divine caster or one lvl of a mage class. If your strategy is to use scrolls the pay the price and take a class that you need or just wait and spend the points on the skills.

[whenwizardswar]

Aye, I dont think it should be changed.

[lorgin2003]

Nov 27, 2008 11:27:55 GMT -5 caveman282 said:

I like the high umd right now. A normal person shouldnt be able to use acrane or divine scrolls without a lot of training. But with that said a cheat to get aroud it is to take one lvl of a divine caster or one lvl of a mage class. If your strategy is to use scrolls the pay the price and take a class that you need or just wait and spend the points on the skills.

i don't see why a rogue skill has to be made completely useless until epic levels. phantom has 21 points in UMD at 18th level, and i still have to worry about all the gold that's lost when i have to burn through 3 2nd level scrolls before one actually works. especially considering that the random number generator is set for the PCs to get lower rolls more often than not.

rogues are already hurting, why make their lives even harder? don't get me wrong, i have no problem with A skill check, but it shouldn't be as impossibly high as it is. if it were 15 + the spell level, it would make it a great deal more fair.

if it isn't possible to change it, then how about including some charms that boost the skill? as a charm, it wouldn't need to be equipped, so the worn gear wouldn't have to be changed. it would be ideal if there were a bunch of other charms coming in along with it. so that all classes can benefit from them.

[caveman282]

Well, if you think about it the skill is used for magice devices IE, Wands, boots rings and such. I use this skill for my rogue char pip just so I can wear special items like boots of sunsoul.

Most people think of UMD as a way to create psuedo mages without actually having to be a mage class. I think thats why in the hardcore setting the skill check is so high.

[mingming]

UMD works just fine as it is now on Hardcore. This is how it is in tabletop D&D. You cannot just take a few points with no to low charisma and expect to pull it off. It's also not something low level characters are meant to be able to reliably use. It's more of an investment of skills towards your middle career, when those extra boosts from scrolls can make a difference against CR10+ opposition. At around level 10, a good UMD score should at least 15+. That gives you around a 50% chance of pulling off a hard check. Remember, this is the magical equivalent of jury-rigging, and so if you want reliable scroll casting, take a level in a class that use scrolls or make sure you've got the charisma, the skill points, and maybe the feats to help you out.

[whenwizardswar]

Nov 27, 2008 20:53:40 GMT -5 mingming said:

UMD works just fine as it is now on Hardcore. This is how it is in tabletop D&D. You cannot just take a few points with no to low charisma and expect to pull it off. It's also not something low level characters are meant to be able to reliably use. It's more of an investment of skills towards your middle career, when those extra boosts from scrolls can make a difference against CR10+ opposition. At around level 10, a good UMD score should at least 15+. That gives you around a 50% chance of pulling off a hard check. Remember, this is the magical equivalent of jury-rigging, and so if you want reliable scroll casting, take a level in a class that use scrolls or make sure you've got the charisma, the skill points, and maybe the feats to help you out.

This

[davidb]

What mingming said. Let each class do his own stuff, UMD is an exception.