Misunderstandings and evil races/deeds.

[Zealote]

*Posted as a player*

Like in RL, mistakes and misunderstandings can happen IG. We have only a few rules dictating RP and thats why the server is so good and famous. But we need, imo, a thread (locked) that states the policy on some aspects and variations of RPG.
For instance, you can RP or dont RP. But while IG, most people will RP, and if you dont want to RP, that doesnt stop others from trying to RP with you. That can lead to some mistakes IG and IC.
For instance a drow character wandering in the streets of BG showing his face. While the drow as a player can chose not to RP and just do as he please, others might want to RP and do what RP tells them to do. Run or kill the drow (Examples, simple examples). So if the player dont want to RP, he shouldnt be angry if others do when he choses a highly dangerous race. Gladly, in our PW, makes no difference if you die to PvP, because you will get up with no consequences in 60 seconds. So if you dont want to RP, makes no difference to you if you will be knocked out for 60 seconds or not. But will make a big difference for the other guy that wants to RP. At most, will slow you down on your grinding for 60 seconds. And thats it. If you're not a RP player, the supposed death, will make no difference in your character history, since you dont care for RP. So just calm down, get up, explain to the attacker that you dont want to RP, all you want is to go and kill some more mobs and have fun. End of story.
Same thing can happen if you're playing a thief and like to steal things. Some guys can be pretty pissed when they lose items or gold. OOC and IC. But it is part of your RP to steal. So how to deal with it? The main complaint, from both sides is that no consequences are at hand, both for the thief if caught and for the victim if killed. Well, for the victim, if killed, is the loss of items or gold...but for the thief caught? Something like this can grow to a major frustration and even anger towards the player that likes to steal with his thief. That in the end will lead to a big consequence and possibly some grudge.
We have good rules, but i think we need some clear explanation, in one single thread, on our policy on evil races/classes/RP.
For example, a post where everybody can read that in here, we have no restrictions of races. You can play a drow for example, but you will be hunted down like a evil criminal and a threat if you show yourself. Or, if you play a thief, you will be in danger of losing gold and items if you get arrested and steal too much. These are just examples, but to post them, as you guys see fit, just to let people see them BEFORE the damage is done, can help to prevent a great deal of misunderstandings, anger and flame posts.

Thanks
- Zeal

PS: These examples of policy and RP are well known by our veterans, but not by the new guys. They are now spread over the forum in different posts, and most of them are just explanations that happened after a incident. So a single thread would help to get them all together so all can read and be aware. Preventing the DMs to say them over and over again.

[broham2]

I agree whole-heartedly with your post. I've been around the server for a little bit now and know most of the 'rules', but a lot of it is gray area and when I first started playing, most of it was completely unknown to me.

I know we are 'RP-lite', but we may want to make a note that 95% of our players are RPing all of the time. I am not sure that I've run into anyone who is not RPing yet.

[DM Sir Carnifex]

I believe we are actually just plain old 'RP' now. That's better than 'lite'.

[caveman282]

Hey now I like grinding! Oh wait... Yea I like RPing!

Anyone other then meever have a hard time finding the places people are hanging out at? Is there a search function to see if certain zones are occupied? Not really who is in what zone but somthign that says "candlekeep has a few people"

IDK I really like the RP here but I like the action stuff too. It just depends what mood I'm in

[Raist]

I completely agree, infact i made a post about something quite similar right here:
theswordcoast.proboards89.com/index.cgi?board=issueswiththerules&action=display&thread=1224

[jakeg]

Yea this is a really good idea, I'm a pretty new player and a lot of the rules I'm not quite sure about. Also, this happened to me yesterday, a person who does not rp, does not speak ic or oocly, was going around and killing the mobs i was fighting. This in itself doesnt seem too bad but it gets annoying when you get them badly wounded or near death and the other guy constantly comes and kills them for the exp, and just ignores all of your complaints. I'm not quite sure what to do in this situation.

[eldur(retired)]

Oct 30, 2008 16:17:54 GMT -5 jakeg said:

Yea this is a really good idea, I'm a pretty new player and a lot of the rules I'm not quite sure about. Also, this happened to me yesterday, a person who does not rp, does not speak ic or oocly, was going around and killing the mobs i was fighting. This in itself doesnt seem too bad but it gets annoying when you get them badly wounded or near death and the other guy constantly comes and kills them for the exp, and just ignores all of your complaints. I'm not quite sure what to do in this situation.

Contact a dm when this happens.

I witnessed this happening as well and was annoyed so I left the area. (no DM's were on, and it only happend twice before I left, so I didn't bring it up later)

I'm sure if a DM witnesses this, they'll have a nice surprise in store for this character, r/p or no.

[lorgin2003]

Oct 30, 2008 11:41:39 GMT -5 caveman282 said:

Anyone other then meever have a hard time finding the places people are hanging out at? Is there a search function to see if certain zones are occupied? Not really who is in what zone but somthign that says "candlekeep has a few people"

i've also noticed that there's no "central meeting place". though, if you hang around jorn, everyone' bound to come past eventually.

also, if you bring up the player list ("P" button) it shows you who's in the same area as you.

[blametherogue]

ya, on the nwn 1 server i played on, the central meeting place was a certain tavern. that's where everyone went first to find out where the action was, and what the new rumors were. we also sat there often and told war stories, drank ale, etc... is there a tavern here that people most frequent? in baldur's gate or beregost? if not, when we take the area back from the gnolls, we could use that tavern/inn for this. that reminds me, are there rest restrictions when an inn is involved? i played on another server, where resting in the wild had time restrictions, but resting in inns did not. i like that idea.

[broham2]

I've only played on one other server, and it was only briefly, but there was a town square that everyone kind of congregated to when not out and about.

I've noticed more and more people hanging out around the fire/caravan camp on the edge of the farmlands. I like that spot.

I think when the server add the Underdark a central meeting place will be even more important as the players split between the UD/surface will make it feel a little less populated (my guess anyway).

[atlas]

I'm against having a central meeting place where everyone goes to hang out. Ive seen it on almost every server ive played on and what you get eventualy is good guys and bad guys always hanging out in the same area to the degree that they eventualy just accept each other and have a good ol' yarn. Good guys and bad guys should be at each others throats for the most part depending on what they believe in. The local law enforcement of a good aligned society would not kick back with a known murderer. Also characters do have jobs and lives to lead and so it would be silly if they are always hanging around a tavern waiting for a dm to get on and run an event. And also too many people in the same area causes server lag.. or at least i think it does.

[caveman282]

I'd Like to see a tavern/bar with an inn placed on the well traveled road appear. somthing easy to access.

[Bahlzeron]

Whether we want a meeting place or not, it'll happen. People ,by nature, will congregate in popular areas. The caravan camp is, IMO, a quite suitable for this task.

[Zealote]

Oct 30, 2008 7:49:37 GMT -5 Zealote said:

*Posted as a player*

Like in RL, mistakes and misunderstandings can happen IG. We have only a few rules dictating RP and thats why the server is so good and famous. But we need, imo, a thread (locked) that states the policy on some aspects and variations of RPG.
For instance, you can RP or dont RP. But while IG, most people will RP, and if you dont want to RP, that doesnt stop others from trying to RP with you. That can lead to some mistakes IG and IC.
For instance a drow character wandering in the streets of BG showing his face. While the drow as a player can chose not to RP and just do as he please, others might want to RP and do what RP tells them to do. Run or kill the drow (Examples, simple examples). So if the player dont want to RP, he shouldnt be angry if others do when he choses a highly dangerous race. Gladly, in our PW, makes no difference if you die to PvP, because you will get up with no consequences in 60 seconds. So if you dont want to RP, makes no difference to you if you will be knocked out for 60 seconds or not. But will make a big difference for the other guy that wants to RP. At most, will slow you down on your grinding for 60 seconds. And thats it. If you're not a RP player, the supposed death, will make no difference in your character history, since you dont care for RP. So just calm down, get up, explain to the attacker that you dont want to RP, all you want is to go and kill some more mobs and have fun. End of story.
Same thing can happen if you're playing a thief and like to steal things. Some guys can be pretty pissed when they lose items or gold. OOC and IC. But it is part of your RP to steal. So how to deal with it? The main complaint, from both sides is that no consequences are at hand, both for the thief if caught and for the victim if killed. Well, for the victim, if killed, is the loss of items or gold...but for the thief caught? Something like this can grow to a major frustration and even anger towards the player that likes to steal with his thief. That in the end will lead to a big consequence and possibly some grudge.
We have good rules, but i think we need some clear explanation, in one single thread, on our policy on evil races/classes/RP.
For example, a post where everybody can read that in here, we have no restrictions of races. You can play a drow for example, but you will be hunted down like a evil criminal and a threat if you show yourself. Or, if you play a thief, you will be in danger of losing gold and items if you get arrested and steal too much. These are just examples, but to post them, as you guys see fit, just to let people see them BEFORE the damage is done, can help to prevent a great deal of misunderstandings, anger and flame posts.

Thanks
- Zeal

PS: These examples of policy and RP are well known by our veterans, but not by the new guys. They are now spread over the forum in different posts, and most of them are just explanations that happened after a incident. So a single thread would help to get them all together so all can read and be aware. Preventing the DMs to say them over and over again.

Anyway.......lol