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Post by BOGUS on Aug 23, 2008 21:04:18 GMT -5
Yesterday saw another dwarf - he was a cleric of Torm, if we will find a dwarf to be a cleric of Ilmater -that be really a dwarven Triada ;-))) Later that day i have mat a guy looking for Helms Temple - this church is in a Palace District, second area of Baldur's Gate, go north from the main gates, you will see a mark to another area, there again go north - you will see Helm's Temple. I have got a proposal to all clerics - let us wear in town this dress, colored in your temple colors, if you are not offisially aded to church and dont have 9 levels, which gives the ability to rezurect. After 9 level and after your are invited in by the High Priest of you church - you can wear that uniform, also colored (we are taking blue color for Triad: Tyr, Torm, Ilmather) Also i think, that when cleric gets his 17 level he can become a High Priest of his Temple and no DM, playing High Priest, is not needed any more, only this player will take, or not take people in his Order. (if this player doesnt play for a week on a server - he is removed from being High Priest) One more thing - deside when you will serve in your temples, i will be blessing by Tyrs name every morning from 6 oclock until 12 every day i am on a server. Interested in having stone skin, strength, +2 to weapon, +1 to armor, + to ac and other interesting things? ;-)) aye - and please put this in to your override - dont want to be bald in others eyes, actually you can delete everything from it exept bom_hairext_v12_override folder (thats my hair :-)) theswordcoast.proboards89.com/index.cgi?board=generalissues&action=display&thread=512&page=1
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Post by whenwizardswar on Aug 23, 2008 23:10:21 GMT -5
In my opinion, and I'm willing to bet others agree, no PC should be the highest authority of a church, because this presetns a big problem for the staff, no control.
Say, a high priest of tyr is a PC, and he finds a few people he deems worthy and initates them, all in rapid succesion its hard for us as dms to keep track of it.
This is bad, but there are some easy fix's of course.
The staff would have to acknowledge a PC as a high preist/ess and just reaching level 17ish should never be the only condition.
Sure if your level 17 and a follower of a church you can count yourself as A high preist/ess but not THE high priest/ess.
If a PC wants to be the head honco, he should A have to demonstrate an excellent grasp/rp of his god/ess dogmas, and B have apporval of said god/ess and the religious community.
The PC would have to be agreed to by -all- dms as it gives the PC alot of power, and if in the end a PC does become a big-shot any decisions he/she makes should be approved by -all- the DM's.
Haveing a PC as the head of a faction would relieve tremendous stress off of the staff, but such a position should not be given lightly and have very high requirements.
But in the same respect haveing the Pc as the head of a faction will inevitbly make more work for us, as we will find ourselves haveing to analyse and approve more things.
*sighs* A double edged sword.
Just my two cents.
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Post by BOGUS on Aug 24, 2008 2:05:02 GMT -5
surely i didnt mean to do it over your beautiful DM's heads ;-))) certanly it must practically a little DM in his faction, but without DM abilities, such player will become a noble citizen of Baldur's Gate - its a really big thing to handle. Of course he must be a crazy roleplayer, but in time we can have alive Flaming Fists guards (naturl players), which will stand for hours on a gate, alive traders and merchants, the ideal RP world - is world without nps i think.
About buffing in a Temples: you surely understand that cleric will have to relog after full buff of one player, to have a rest and to buff another one. I was just discussing it on a bridge with two other players, and we were talking is it a cheet, and what to do with. Surely this is a cheet, when cleric is reloging on battlefild to fully buff his party, and such thing must be punished by DMs, but when its (reloging and buffing) is done in a Temple, for some prise - we agreed that that is normal, on the other hand it will give gold to Temples and make a real concurention among clerics and their Temples for people to drop in to be buffed.
ps i picked up my 9 and 10 level crushing wyverns for 66 exp each, i need 10.000 exp to become 11 level, we, clerics, work hard to get our divine magic ;-))))
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Post by whenwizardswar on Aug 24, 2008 14:54:26 GMT -5
About buffing in a Temples: you surely understand that cleric will have to relog after full buff of one player, to have a rest and to buff another one. I was just discussing it on a bridge with two other players, and we were talking is it a cheet, and what to do with. Surely this is a cheet, when cleric is reloging on battlefild to fully buff his party, and such thing must be punished by DMs, but when its (reloging and buffing) is done in a Temple, for some prise - we agreed that that is normal, on the other hand it will give gold to Temples and make a real concurention among clerics and their Temples for people to drop in to be buffed. Yes, the churches should charge some sort of price, actually quite a bit and generally they follow the same rules as wizards for hire, in that they wont cast over 3rd level spells upon people except resorations and or ressurections. If you ask me, RP back ground or not, if your buffing/logging and buffing again it becomes an unlimited source of buffs and the whole server could come to you to become super tanks. Buffing/logging/buffing is an exploit -period- reguardless of RP behind it. If you want to have a high amount of buffs available, recruit more clerics
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Post by BOGUS on Aug 24, 2008 16:51:22 GMT -5
I will buff in a Tyr's Temple only for 15 real minutes, other 45 minutes i have for myself, then, not all players will buff in a Tyr's temple, some will have their own clerics, some pray to evil gods, some will just not come to town from their locations with monsters. That means that there will not be a crowd of players, waiting for buff near church. I will be glad to buff one noob in the whole my real gameday on a server. Then - all this buffs are good against stupid monsters as gnolls and lizards, beholder takes all buffs off in a blink of an eye. I wonder if there are more monsters who can take off all magic? Maybe we can give such abilities to shamans of lizards and goblins and to orcs clerics? Another thing - any buffed player sooner or later will have to rest - that means good bye buffs. So, clerics make life easy only until player reaches 7 level. What pluses of clerics - working temples, Baldur's Gate wont be abandoned town with few lunatics any more, new players will be given some help, and the ability to roleplay with a cleric in a temple about whats going on in the world, for the DMs its an ability to show themselves as gods avatars, with helping or punishing players, which entered not their church only to be buffed. Minuses - just one, you will get used to it ;-)))
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Post by Iceshard on Aug 24, 2008 21:54:38 GMT -5
Um yep I would say an exploit if you buffed people, relogged and kept buffing people. Especially if you are collecting coin. Call me pessamistic, but I have a feeling a large chunk of that gold would go "missing" from your hands into the temple coffers..
As Wiz said, you want more spells, recruit more clerics or pick up the extra slots for spells as feats. -Ice
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Post by BOGUS on Aug 24, 2008 22:29:08 GMT -5
Actually it is not a problem of amount of spells - the point is: i am not an NPS ;-))) i want to play too, but i have to rest while i am playing, and if i will rest without relogg my buff will vanish from players, i can buff two players in several things, that will last for 10 hours ( 1 hour level - is it for real time or ingame time?), i will have to relogg, if i want to play myself, without waiting when my magic will end and surely it must not be done as buffing one person with reloggs.
Can we do it that way - for example - i am buffing two persons with all i have, then i say "Thats it fellows, i am really tired and ecxosted, i need to have a rest, and you can go now" After it i am going in a room in the temple, where i relogg? I can buff only two persons without rest and relogging, everyone else will have to wait until another server day. Thats 45 minutes of real time, but those two, who were buffed will play hide and seek with gnolls until they will have their own rest.
money...aye...but where to spent them? We will have to decide about gold with other clerics, but i have a strange feeling that there are only two of us - me and the hunted drow, where are other clerics in this thread?
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Post by whenwizardswar on Aug 24, 2008 23:38:24 GMT -5
Im not sure what your trying to say, but if you want to buff other players until you cant bufff any more, be my guest but if you want to buff yourself yes you will have to rest, and yes the players will lose their buffs, its just how it happens.
Buffing someone else, then logging buffing your self so the others can still enjoy your spells as well? Nope, i cant claim its a rule or speak for other DMs but if i see this I will probably strip your's AND their buffs.
I'm not sure i understand what your intended point for your last post is bogus, some clarification?
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Post by BOGUS on Aug 25, 2008 0:34:05 GMT -5
well....clarification...... dont know really. We have Temples, we have clerics. Actually it is possible to put NPS cleric in every Temple, with high amount of spells and let him buff players, untill hi is out of spells, after each restart he will be back in business again. I love BG and trying to make town more alive, with more players spending their time in the city, with more life. The thing is - there is no point to stay in a temple if i cannot do some extraodinary things, as relogg. I can buff players anywhere for the same prise, just become a hired cleric. And there wont be any reason for me to enter the town at all. Even after death we all appear in Elfsong tavern, and not in our churches. I dont really need gold, there is no place to spent it. Here, in this thread, and in the thread Dress for Tyrrans i was trying to organise player to player events, which are not welcomed as i see. Great potential of this server is not working even on 30 %. What fun is to me to buff two players in a Temple and then simply do nothing for an hour? 250 gp? Dont need it really, for loosing my time.
Tell me - is it possible to put NPS who will buff from 6 until 12 pm, and only in that time, and only two persons? I think its possible, and it doesnt go behind any rules of DnD. So why i cannot be for that NPS? And any other cleric as well? I can understand you, what i am suggesting is a bit odd and unusall, but it will have benefits, i am sure. Maybe i will not relog after i buffed players, maybe i will go to the Elfsong tavern to have beer with Torms cleric, relogging of cleric in his Temple must not be forbidden, it must be very and very unlikely to do, that will be a compromise, because we all here for fun and fantasy and not scientific experiment.
Anyway - may point was to make more player to player quest and everyday events, but it seems to early for them, server is in a period of Diablohucknslashing and noobdrowkilling with abandoned city of Baldur's Gate, so forget it. Really light RP, what a pity..............................
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Post by lorgin2003 on Aug 25, 2008 2:12:16 GMT -5
you have got to be kidding me. you think any hardcore rp server would allow you to make use of that kind of exploit? hell no. i've played on several of hardcore rp servers for several years. you'd be banned immediately. they had very precise rules about using exploits. and they were always followed by "AND SAYING I DIDN'T KNOW ISN'T AN EXCUSE" are you really asking the staff to condone the use of exploits, then hurling insults when they tell you no?
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Post by shawnystyle77 on Aug 25, 2008 2:13:22 GMT -5
well....clarification...... dont know really. We have Temples, we have clerics. Actually it is possible to put NPS cleric in every Temple, with high amount of spells and let him buff players, untill hi is out of spells, after each restart he will be back in business again. I love BG and trying to make town more alive, with more players spending their time in the city, with more life. The thing is - there is no point to stay in a temple if i cannot do some extraodinary things, as relogg. I can buff players anywhere for the same prise, just become a hired cleric. And there wont be any reason for me to enter the town at all. Even after death we all appear in Elfsong tavern, and not in our churches. I dont really need gold, there is no place to spent it. Here, in this thread, and in the thread Dress for Tyrrans i was trying to organise player to player events, which are not welcomed as i see. Great potential of this server is not working even on 30 %. What fun is to me to buff two players in a Temple and then simply do nothing for an hour? 250 gp? Dont need it really, for loosing my time. Tell me - is it possible to put NPS who will buff from 6 until 12 pm, and only in that time, and only two persons? I think its possible, and it doesnt go behind any rules of DnD. So why i cannot be for that NPS? And any other cleric as well? I can understand you, what i am suggesting is a bit odd and unusall, but it will have benefits, i am sure. Maybe i will not relog after i buffed players, maybe i will go to the Elfsong tavern to have beer with Torms cleric, relogging of cleric in his Temple must not be forbidden, it must be very and very unlikely to do, that will be a compromise, because we all here for fun and fantasy and not scientific experiment. Anyway - may point was to make more player to player quest and everyday events, but it seems to early for them, server is in a period of Diablohucknslashing and noobdrowkilling with abandoned city of Baldur's Gate, so forget it. Really light RP, what a pity.............................. LOL. I'm almost to the point where I don't read your posts, but they are just so funny I cannot look away. Let's review, you think; -player's should be able to name themselves after famous characters and have ridiculous backgrounds that we all have to accept. -drow and surfacers should get along and take longs walks on the beach together. -everyone should download and install overrides and screw up the server so we can all apperciate your cool hair. -and now, you should be able to cast unlimited buffs on people for a profit. Having suggestions are fine, but when people don't agree, you bash the server's RP, when the things you suggest just throw away RP. I'm glad I'm not a DM or a Dev so I can just be myself, a jerk, and say what I think.
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Post by whenwizardswar on Aug 25, 2008 9:55:25 GMT -5
relogging of cleric in his Temple must not be forbidden, it must be very and very unlikely to do, that will be a compromise It is an exploit, as i said in your other thread, if your going to protect other players you give up protectin for yourself, if you have enough spells to do both fine but if you dont relogging is not the way to do it, and as I said in your other post, i cant speak for the other staff but if I personally catch you relogging just to rest and keep other peoples spells and get yours back i will strip all parties involved, everyones actions have consequences, think about it next time you relog-rest, you could be compromiseing another players protections and put them in harms way. If they loose their buffs because of something -you- did thats wrong they will probably be mad at you oocly ,and ICly they would probably think less of your church. if you claim or want to be some holy high order man chances are your not going to be leavein the city much ANYWAY so you dont need to be able to buff yourself, and you should be walking around shakeing hands and kissing babies. Just my two cents
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Post by Iceshard on Aug 25, 2008 11:33:22 GMT -5
Um yep, Bogus your posts are either complete rubbish or try to condone exploits or use of unstable files. As the others have said, dont bash this server because we dont allow exploits, no one treats you like the mesiah and you dont have unlimitied spells. My memory may be a little foggy but I dont remember clerics in the BG series standing in temples charging for a mass list of spells to buff people with. I remember the remove curses, resurect stuff, but thats about it.
This is a lite RP server, yes, but even on lite, as well as hardcore, you will find they wont allow the stuff you recommend, or try to do. As lorgin said, most servers will ban you. I for one will strip you and any involved, and kick you from the server for doing this Relog Buffing. Dont do it, and deffinatly dont insult the staff.
-Ice
PS - Im a cleric of Helm to answer your question of "Who are even clerics in these posts"
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Post by Zealote on Aug 25, 2008 12:08:59 GMT -5
well....clarification...... dont know really. We have Temples, we have clerics. Actually it is possible to put NPS cleric in every Temple, with high amount of spells and let him buff players, untill hi is out of spells, after each restart he will be back in business again. I love BG and trying to make town more alive, with more players spending their time in the city, with more life. The thing is - there is no point to stay in a temple if i cannot do some extraodinary things, as relogg. I can buff players anywhere for the same prise, just become a hired cleric. And there wont be any reason for me to enter the town at all. Even after death we all appear in Elfsong tavern, and not in our churches. I dont really need gold, there is no place to spent it. Here, in this thread, and in the thread Dress for Tyrrans i was trying to organise player to player events, which are not welcomed as i see. Great potential of this server is not working even on 30 %. What fun is to me to buff two players in a Temple and then simply do nothing for an hour? 250 gp? Dont need it really, for loosing my time. Tell me - is it possible to put NPS who will buff from 6 until 12 pm, and only in that time, and only two persons? I think its possible, and it doesnt go behind any rules of DnD. So why i cannot be for that NPS? And any other cleric as well? I can understand you, what i am suggesting is a bit odd and unusall, but it will have benefits, i am sure. Maybe i will not relog after i buffed players, maybe i will go to the Elfsong tavern to have beer with Torms cleric, relogging of cleric in his Temple must not be forbidden, it must be very and very unlikely to do, that will be a compromise, because we all here for fun and fantasy and not scientific experiment. Anyway - may point was to make more player to player quest and everyday events, but it seems to early for them, server is in a period of Diablohucknslashing and noobdrowkilling with abandoned city of Baldur's Gate, so forget it. Really light RP, what a pity.............................. LOL. I'm almost to the point where I don't read your posts, but they are just so funny I cannot look away. Let's review, you think; -player's should be able to name themselves after famous characters and have ridiculous backgrounds that we all have to accept. -drow and surfacers should get along and take longs walks on the beach together. -everyone should download and install overrides and screw up the server so we can all apperciate your cool hair. -and now, you should be able to cast unlimited buffs on people for a profit. Having suggestions are fine, but when people don't agree, you bash the server's RP, when the things you suggest just throw away RP. I'm glad I'm not a DM or a Dev so I can just be myself, a jerk, and say what I think. LMAO. Valek, Paladin of Tyr.
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Post by Zealote on Aug 25, 2008 12:22:42 GMT -5
Dude please drop the ''buff/relog'' crap. Its getting anoying. You can only do this cause the spells here are replenished when reloging. But how will you RP the return of the spells? Like: Hey friends, im gonna go talk to Tyr real quick and be right back with some more spells? Thats just crazy. If you want to buff a large number of players go ahead and do it. But at least wait for your char to get to a high lvl or something. Relog to get your spells back is just ZERO RP. If your char doesnt have enough spells to do what you want, dont do it. Wait for lvl 25 or something. And please, please, please, start your post with: ''Is it possible to...''' Not: ''Ok lets do it like this...''. Because in fact you're nobody here. Your char is a nobody IG. So chill out and go get some lvls with your char or something. Go and RP with a large number of players so your char can build a name for him and for the church. Go produce something that is worthy, and stop complaing for God's sake.
-Thanks Zeal
(well i hope i can post here since im a member of the church and all....paladin and stuff....)
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