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Post by whenwizardswar on Jun 29, 2008 23:06:05 GMT -5
Now that I know that there is a model that takes place eight years before the time of troubles, I have been brain storming all kinds of neat things, mostly tempalte NPCs, and i have been working on certain deities themselves, provided they havent been created, for example, Cyric and Bhaal fought on boraskyr bridge which is in fairly close proximity.
So an actual dual between avatars would seem to be an obvious attraction.
Anyway, the time of troubles is still 8 years away, and I recent refreshed my memory on the lore around candlekeep, and realised that the keep could use something.
Most BG fans will remember the Voices, monks that were chanting in candlekeeps library, recitieng alaundos prophecies.
Granted Alaundo died some thousand years ago per cannon lore, but there are at least thirty monks that constantly read and announce up comeing portents as written by Alaundo.
Would you like me to whip up a few tempalte NPC's to carry the words of Alaundo to the visitors of candlekeep?.
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Post by dezlathoth on Jun 29, 2008 23:09:55 GMT -5
According to Realms lore, don't you need to give the keep and expensive book just to get in? So it stands to reason that realistically there would be very few visitors, save mages and the like. Of course, this is a PW so having a beautifully designed area that no one can enter kind of makes no sense.
And I still think its lame that Cyric, who really seemed like a pansy in the Avatar Series, killed the Avatar of the God of Murder, who could kill people with a single strike. And I've said it before and will again... damn Mask.
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Post by whenwizardswar on Jun 29, 2008 23:32:09 GMT -5
According to Realms lore, don't you need to give the keep and expensive book just to get in?. Close, to get in one merely needs to bring -A- Book. To examine a book in the library one must give them a book which they dont have worth at least 1,000gp. So yes, it could and probably does have quite a few visitors. And I still think its lame that Cyric, who really seemed like a pansy in the Avatar Series, killed the Avatar of the God of Murder, who could kill people with a single strike. And I've said it before and will again... damn Mask. Ehh, theres more to it why Bhaal was so weak. Bhaal was weak because he could only possess people, so Bane went and slaughered all of Bhaals assassins, thus drawing him out in the open and weakening him. Cyric, took advantage of Bhaals weakness and slew him while bane was else where. When Cyric and Bhaal were fighting, Torm slew Bane with the sword Godsbane (Which contained mask) and then broke the sword, there for destorying mask. Note:Its late, and I'm tired so I might have gotten some above information backwards.
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Post by dezlathoth on Jun 29, 2008 23:37:40 GMT -5
Hmm, remind me to read the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting again. I thought there it said you needed an expensive book just to get in, but I'm likely just misreading it, haha.
Godsbane was broken by Cyric in a fit of rage after he gained Godhood, I thought? Torm and Bane slew one another, true, but destroyed each other and each other alone. And I forgot that Bane sacrificed all of Bhaal's assassins. But technically they could all only possess people. Bane possessed Fzoul at first, Mystra one of her followers, so on and so forth. Mask's avatar just happened to be a sword.
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Post by Iceshard on Jun 29, 2008 23:39:06 GMT -5
lol I wonder how many people have 1,000 gold to spare on a book and that book has to be something Candlkeep doesnt already have... A Fortress library.. just doesnt seem they would have many people at all lol, especially our guys who would kill anything and everything for 1,000 gold lol
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Post by dezlathoth on Jun 29, 2008 23:41:11 GMT -5
Nope, he's right, ANY book will get you in, but you need a book worth 1,000 gp to examine the books already at Candlekeep. So sayeth the campaign setting, which I misread at first.
And I know, there can only be so many books left out there worth more than 1000 gp. Texts written by ancient civilizations, perhaps, but I can't think of much that would be easily acquired... which I suppose is the point.
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Post by DEV Jlf2n on Jun 30, 2008 8:01:52 GMT -5
Hehe, some of this is right, and some is wrong. Its been a while since I read these but here goes...
Bane didn't destroy Bhaals assassins out of spite so much as he needed the power to fuel his avatar. Bhaal, Bane and Myrkul all conspired together with Bane being the mastermind behind the plot.
Torm killed Bane in avatar form on the banks of the sea by Tantras. He took the head of a lion and during the fight he got his mouth on Bane's throat and pretty much killed him. I believe Torm was already dieing as well but the explosion from Bane's death went ahead and finished both off them off.
Even before Cyric, Mask used the sword Godsbane to travel the world and cause mischief. It was really only by chance that Cyric was able to come across this sword. Bhaal had no idea the sword Cyric was using was possesed by a God and therefore could kill one and that lead to him turning his back on Cyric and getting run through.
It was much later when Cyric had become a God that he destroyed Gods bane and in turn destroyed part of Mask. After Mask in the form of Gods bane admitted he had been hiding Khelvmor's soul from Cyric inside the sword that Cyric through blind rage broke the sword, draining much of Masks power and weaking him to the point to where he becomes a lesser deity.
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Post by whenwizardswar on Jun 30, 2008 10:00:38 GMT -5
Thats pretty cool, I have alot of source material, but I wont be naive and deny that i have all the answers.
The informaon that jfn posted,I didnt have access to so i appoligise for my gaps, an dI thank ji2fn for filling them in!
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Post by dezlathoth on Jun 30, 2008 16:51:18 GMT -5
I highly recommend reading the Avatar Series, which is where most of if not all of that information is from. I was only paraphrasing it in my earlier post.
Also, it did not help that Mask read Cyric's little book there later on and lost even MORE power.
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Post by DEV Jlf2n on Jun 30, 2008 17:04:25 GMT -5
Yeah I'm a big Forgotten Realms lore nerd. Not as big as some, but I could have filled 3 pages earlier.
I also recommend to anyone who really wants to be involved and understand whats going on around them to read those books. the Time of Troubles is hard to understand otherwise.
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Post by dezlathoth on Jun 30, 2008 17:20:27 GMT -5
Agreed. I vaguely knew some of what happened from the events from BG2, but even then that really only tells you a little about what happened to Bhaal and Cyric.
Managed to pick up the reprints of the first four books in the series, still looking for the last one, though.... and the only copies I can find are the older ones and pretty expensive.
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Post by DEV Jlf2n on Jun 30, 2008 17:30:43 GMT -5
Reading these books made me a fan of evil guys for the first time in my life. I loved the three evil gods Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul. The only thing is I wish they wouldn't have made all Bane's plots foil in succession. It kind of made him look a bumbling dolt, even though he was still a pretty awesome character. Bhaal is just a complete badass though. Being the god of assassins makes for a god you don't want to have to run from. He made Sarvok from BG look mild in comparison.
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Post by dezlathoth on Jun 30, 2008 17:45:15 GMT -5
I completely agree.
I too love how Bane's a supposed tyrant who just kind of fumbled about being all ineffective the entire time until Torm smacked him down... erm, bit him down, whatever.
And Sarevok was pretty badass in his time. Because unlike most other villains (at least ones I had encountered in my games), he wasn't just a disgustingly powerful warrior, he was cunning and charismatic. But Bhaal.... crap, he could kill you with anything, and do it silently.
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Post by radium on Jul 1, 2008 6:34:26 GMT -5
I've never actually read the Avatar series. It's kinda hard to find here as well.
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Post by Iceshard on Jul 1, 2008 8:47:48 GMT -5
*Shrugs* I never really read any of the books.. hence I make things up as I go lol. Sometimes playing out the novels doesnt do much for ya, knowing how things will go from start to finish.. Id like to have the chance to alter the fates if I were a player but thats just me lol.
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Evil for the win! Bane has always been my favorite with his death knights
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