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Post by darktemplar42 on Jun 26, 2008 3:59:38 GMT -5
While going through the undead caves with player Pheadra Hawk, we encountered two players, Ashando and Bethren Ancalagon, came out of nowhere while we were fighting a skeleton and ganged up on Pheadra. As far as I know, though I didn't ask, they did not ask her to engage in PvP. Furthermore, they attacked multiple times, beating her back down just as she got up. When I attempted to help by healing her, they killed me, too. Afterwards, I talked to Pheadra, who said one of them (I forgot who) was likely sore about losing to an RP duel. However, this doesn't constitute such actions.
Here are their usernames and character names.
Barnewitz: Ashando Odinse: Bethren Ancalagon
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Post by volendrung on Jun 26, 2008 4:26:16 GMT -5
Very sorry to hear that, I knew deep in my heart that just a script wouldn't stop such behaviours. This needs a heavy punishment for the persons involved, personally I'd go with permaban since I do not like to play with such people and cannot stand teen angst. I am also shocked by reading that Barnewitz was involved, he is a DM and I am pretty sure he might have a explanation to this. In any case PvP should be restricted to once a day and for RP reasons, "I shall get my vengeance" is not exactly a great RP reason in my opinion, as I play an evil character I would get my vengeance by attempting to rip the other Pc of his dignity, friends and in general to make his life a living hell (agreeing with the opposing Pc and a DM). Pheadra is played by a very mature and nice person, I bet he will get over it.
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Post by Iceshard on Jun 26, 2008 8:19:35 GMT -5
Before any action can be taken we will need both sides as we have to stay impartial. We appologize for the PvP rules havent been fully fleshed out yet, and since the subdual script is in you dont loose anything other than some time and gain some frusteration. What we did explain is that it would likely be a 24 hour thing between the first engagement and the next (assuming someone was beat down); This would also be accompanied by a Ignorance rule stating that both players ignore each other the rest of the day playing it off as one of them is dead.
Like I said this will require both sides of the story, and possibly JLF's involvement. We appologize again for this inncovience.
-Ice
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Post by Zero on Jun 26, 2008 18:25:34 GMT -5
Limiting pvp to one time per day will still not stop the griefing.There will always be players that join or players that think its a good idea to repeatedly kill someone over and over. No matter what and by limiting pvp to once per day would only take away from this servers player base as we have seen through polls there are still a lot who like the idea of pvp.
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Post by volendrung on Jun 26, 2008 19:43:20 GMT -5
If you think that most of the people can manage to stand 2/3 tards running rampage on server and kill over and over the same player as soon as he gets out of subdue, or that most people will enjoy doing that, well I'm sorry but I think you're wrong. I for instance would never stand a server where I can be "camped" for no reason but griefing over a RP duel or just for amusement of some teen that need to release their angst over the net. Honestly if you want to build a playerbase over pvp(and huge griefing) you might as well turn the server into the "Action" and get over with. My wife already camps me enough each time I play instead of going out with her (who demands 6 nights out a week.....) so I don't need such stuff when I log in to have some fun rping and relaxing with other fellow players. Mind i'm not saying "stop the pvp" but just "regulate the pvp" in a mild way so it doesn't get totally out of control like this time with Pheadra
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Post by blackdiamonds on Jun 27, 2008 1:41:30 GMT -5
well limiting PvP is ridiculous, soon we will have rules for every little thing that pops up and when you turn around no one will be on this server. these cases are what the Dm's are for so let them do their job and do not make a rule every time something goes awry. the bridge murders is one of the oldest played out senerios there is and it has happened on every server most likely numerous times. as for my take on this greifing, well payback is a bitch, however to kill the other guy is a bit much especially when he had nothing to do with it in the first place
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Post by volendrung on Jun 27, 2008 3:30:38 GMT -5
so Blackdiamonds by your post I can understand you totally agree on unregulated non-rp pvp. payback? when you kill someone by rp reason then the other person is allowed to corpse camp you cause he needs to give you "payback"...I mean, are you serious? noone is giving rules for every little thing, but some rules are needed, else I might just log in tonight, find your character with my other 2 friends and kill it until you log off cause you can't move from the same position and we will see how will you react to it, if you're gonna pick some friends and hunt me down or just understand how stupid this is in the first place.
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Post by volendrung on Jun 27, 2008 5:35:33 GMT -5
sorry I am getting too heated over this, I didn't intend any personal attack towards anyone. I just cannot stand some kind of immature behaviours, pvp is fine really, camping or fighting each 2 minutes all over the server is not. If we could be sure to have a good rp/mature playerbase then rules would not be necessary, but since this is a "utopia" you need regulations.
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Post by tlantl on Jun 27, 2008 8:51:31 GMT -5
Perhaps lowering the Xp awards for monsters and getting rid of the Xp attached to player corpses would help reduce the amount of attacks.
This seems to be the ony server I frequent with this problem. Maybe if Driller and Jlf2n can figure out what is drawing these peiople here then perhaps they can find a way to end this stupidity.
I might be blowing smoke out of my backside * shrugs* but who knows.
I feel your pain volendrung.
peace!
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radium
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Post by radium on Jun 27, 2008 9:25:30 GMT -5
I think anyone who just wants to play ONLY for PVP should really consider joining an arena/melee server. If I find anyone "griefing" or "camping" I won't hesitate to boot them. There's usually only OOC reasons behind such things. If you've killed a PC once, fair enough... they're dead, you move on. [EDIT] Just noticed blackdiamonds post regarding rules. I think rules and regulation generally filter out most of the bad player elements from a server and leave the remainder: a higher quality player, I think. [/EDIT]
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Post by souljaa on Jun 27, 2008 9:35:09 GMT -5
Probably the best way to deal with this sort of thing is to have a rule that before any PvP can be initiated you must set the targets to hostile and give them a chance to leave the area and avoid the fight. PvP is fine and dandy, fun too, when both parties agree to it. There are much better ways to deal with faction vs faction or simple PC conflicts than combat, that's where RP is both entertaining and involving.
Haven't really heard of any other instances of PvP here as yet, but in this case I think it would be harsh to punish anyone in any way simply because guidelines to PvP haven't yet been established. Though it does seem kinda wrong that it was a repeated attack, not letting Pheadra back up and then also turning on her healer. .
I like Iceshards view on this too, both sides should ignore each other at all costs and if they do happen to be in the same place at the same time, the winner should have right of passage and the loser must move on from the area.
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Post by DEV Jlf2n on Jun 27, 2008 9:44:45 GMT -5
Guys, there is no perfect PvP system, you can either turn it on or off. This is the second instance of PvP griefing that I am aware of in what? 2 months?. It sucks when it happens, and if punishments are needed they will be given out.
There is no need to break out the pitchforks and torches though every time something like this happens and march around town talking about how the PW is doomed. ;D Sword of hope is a good player and I will make it right with him xp wise. I will also speak with the other 2 parties involved.
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Post by volendrung on Jun 27, 2008 10:51:38 GMT -5
You are totally right, there will be no perfect PvP system and I bet noone thinks the Pw is doomed or anything (that would be way too exaggerated). Still I think that eradicating such behaviours from the Pw will just make it better. The occasional silly person will show up, there is no way we can avoid this, but if they get kicked back to where they came from we will have a clean and fun PW enviroement.
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Post by DEV Jlf2n on Jun 27, 2008 11:30:12 GMT -5
I have spoke with both parties and no action needs to be taken I believe. What we have is two characters who have found a nemisis in each other. One killed one, then revenge came, and will likely come again.
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Post by volendrung on Jun 27, 2008 11:45:55 GMT -5
I hope this doesn't mean we will be experiencing some more corpse camp, but I'm glad to see you fixed the thing
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