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Post by sevendust on Feb 14, 2009 13:13:34 GMT -5
I had an odd situation when I entered the cloakwood last night.
Upon entering the area, I was surprised to see six lizard men running at me - 3 warriors / 3 shaman (they must have used up their sound burst). I had just rested and decide to try my luck at these (though I would have preferred not to been close to the transition). A few rounds into the battle, two were down (with 2 loot bags on the ground),with the other four mildly to wounded status. At this point, three adventurers entered the area and I guess decided to "rescue me". The fighter charges in as I am casting a glyph of warding and he gets caught in it - taking damage. I am not sure if he was injured prior to the charge or took some hits, but now he is near death.
I did not want to hear about how I caused him to die - so I cast cure serious wounds on him, and I get dropped by a CMW from a shaman (failed the will save) before I finished my Cure Mod. wounds spell. The glyph had killed another warrior and shaman, so only 2 wounded shaman were left which they finally killed. I was knocked out, and a robed man from their group used a healing kit on me.
Now here is the kicker, the third individual from this group who hung back comes over and loots my lizard kills, and this is the second time this &##%$# has scooped up loot from me since we first crossed paths.
At this point, I am pissed. I would like to kill this one member of this little troop. What do I do at this point?
Do I have to send a tell that individual "this is the second time you slighted me". and demand a split of the loot? (not worth it, but it is a matter of principle)
Do I send a tell that I intend to attack this person?
Can I attempt to kill all three of them if the other two jump in? ( I am lawful neutral)
And how do I initiate it? Do I have to use the DM tool to mark the person attackable? Is there a combination of keys I have to hit?
I am not normally a PVP player, but this kind of set me off - To prove this, another shaman spawned and all three of this group were stunned by it. I killed the shaman and left.
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Feb 14, 2009 13:35:37 GMT -5
Since you were not in a party with them, you would be entitled to the loot that the ones you killed dropped. Other players are welcome to RP that they want to take your stuff, but if they didn't, then that is what we call ninja-looting. People come and take your stuff.
PvP may have been a way to resolve it IC, however if people are doing that to you, they likely to it to others. It might be good to let the DMs know who has been doing it.
Now about the PvP itself. Nothing has to be done, really. You can just attack. However, it's always best to bring up the player list (P) and set the PC to hostile (the little sword icon). However, as your PC is lawful neutral, I couldn't see him attacking any of the three for taking a few loot drops.
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Post by sevendust on Feb 14, 2009 14:30:26 GMT -5
My issue was not with the fighter nor the robed man (cleric. wizard?)/ My issue was with the third of their number, who helped himself to the loots from my kills - and who pulled another shady act on me once before. Being lawful neutral, I am wondering if the fighter and robed man go to protect this individual is it in my rights to attack them as well?
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Feb 14, 2009 14:44:04 GMT -5
If I were RPing the lawful neutral, I would IC bring up the situation to the others, i.e., that he was stealing.
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Post by sevendust on Feb 14, 2009 16:38:13 GMT -5
Even if I was enraged with angst over a personal insult?
I understand that lawful nuetrals can have an obsession with the law, but couldnt this go the way of the slap in the face with a glove thing and a duel?
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Post by Erulaan D'Anhoor on Feb 14, 2009 19:07:24 GMT -5
right click the PC and set to attack for a no warning attack (sometimes frowned upon, but the easiest and quickest.
Or as Carnifex stated scroll through all of the players online while it trips back and forth as players leave and enter, find the one you want to engage, and set him to hostile as a warning.
I usually set all I plan to PvP to hostile first, but there are circumstances where I won't.
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Post by luna on Feb 14, 2009 19:22:14 GMT -5
right click the PC and set to attack for a no warning attack (sometimes frowned upon, but the easiest and quickest. LOL, sometimes that can be pretty mean depending on which class you attack. Some classes spells or bard abilities only work on hostile creatures. |
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Post by Zealote on Feb 14, 2009 19:59:25 GMT -5
lol Erulaan D'Anhoor, if you attack me without setting me to hostile I will get up and ignore you if I lose. Or possibly get up and attack you again, AFTER I set you to hostile. I will count the first one as not valid.  Im not against PvP. I like it. But set to hostile first is THE way to do it. |
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Post by DEV Akavit on Feb 14, 2009 20:10:52 GMT -5
The hostile setting is a necessity for some builds to PvP. Considering that some spells only effect enemies it is nice for the attacker to take care of the hostile setting so the potential victim doesn't have to scroll through the player list while being pummeled.
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Post by Erulaan D'Anhoor on Feb 15, 2009 15:24:35 GMT -5
i didnt know that...thanks
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Post by luskan79 on May 2, 2009 2:09:52 GMT -5
Need a widget tool in inventory that does automatically i hate scrolling through list personally.
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Post by broham1 on May 2, 2009 7:50:36 GMT -5
Rick clicking and scrolling down to attack is on par with attacking NPC's. They aren't set to attack and neither is a player that isn't set to hostile...There are plenty of skills and feats that do not function correctly if you fail to set the other hostile. Not to mention the spells that don't function correctly. You are in essence cheating the person out of their right to defend themselves.
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Post by Zealote on May 2, 2009 10:18:51 GMT -5
We seriously need a custom button, so you can right click and set to hostile. With the amount of players online, scroll down and see the bar roll up every time someone logs in sucks. Takes a long time, specially against multiple subjects, and kinda makes PvP a bit weird, since everyone has to stop for a moment and search for each other to set to hostile. lol. With a custom button, to show on right click, everything would be easy and simple. And fast.  |
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Post by broham1 on May 2, 2009 10:45:45 GMT -5
We seriously need a custom button, so you can right click and set to hostile. With the amount of players online, scroll down and see the bar roll up every time someone logs in sucks. Takes a long time, specially against multiple subjects, and kinda makes PvP a bit weird, since everyone has to stop for a moment and search for each other to set to hostile. lol. With a custom button, to show on right click, everything would be easy and simple. And fast. Agreed! Is this possible? |
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Post by eggshen on May 3, 2009 3:59:23 GMT -5
Yes, it's possible. Played on a server that had just such a thing. You just hot-bar a widget that is freely given to all pc's, and voila! No scrolling around in the player-list looking for who to set hostile.
As for the question at hand. Well. . . this is an interesting situation.
First, your character is NOT your character's alignment. Alignment's can change based on actions. People can do things that are out of character. Just because somebody is 'good' doesn't mean they are so good that they've never committed a non-good act. And while you didn't mention your classes, while we're at it, your character is NOT his classes. In the same way that you are not your job. All professional basketball players do not react the same way to every situation that is presented to them. They don't all have the same values, etc.
However, if you're not sure how to play a particular alignment, perhaps it would be better to pick an alignment that offers a bit more freedom, so that you're not crippled in-game when it comes to on-the-fly decisions on how to behave.
Finally, roleplaying well is not an easy thing to do, since you really must divorce yourself from your character. OOC, you're pissed that this dude is jacking your loot. Now, you don't know if it's in-character for him to do something like that, or if he's not even roleplaying, just doing whatever he OOC feels like. Since you don't know, the only appropriate thing to do is behave as you think your character would if the situation had really occurred. Sometimes, that means turning the other cheek. Sometimes, it means going ape-shit on whoever gets in your way. Sometimes it means hatching a plot that takes years to develop in which this fool will one day pay for the way he slighted you. At no point would I take a silly loot-bag into the realm of OOC anger, though. It's just not worth it.
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