Igaryu
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Post by Igaryu on Jan 30, 2009 15:07:58 GMT -5
Hello Dear RPers I am going to build myself a nice little Rogue tomorrow. Sorry I am not native englishspeaker so my words might not be allways at the point;)
He is going to be a Human rogue and my idea is to make him be interested in making the "job of the rogue" be more accepted and respected and not seen as some shadowy somewhat evil thing.
He will be seing what he does as some kind of art. Overall I want him to strive to do good things to become renown and like allready mentioned turn the prejudices against rogues off.
Thing is i dont want him to be completely a dogooder so if he might see some usefull tool even in a good wizards home he might just swiftly take that thing which is much more usefull for himself than for that old wizard that stay in his tower all the time anyways if you know what I mean;).
In general he is still trying to be a "good guy" my question is.
Is he neutral good,chaotic good, chaotic neutral or just neutral?
I tend to think its chaotic good but would like to have an impression of someone more experienced than myself;)
Greetings Igaryu
PS still hoping that I'llbe allowed to call my rogue Nimbul;)
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Post by adzling on Jan 30, 2009 15:11:55 GMT -5
chaotic good sounds about right but the others could work as well.
chaotic good is often seen as the self-centered do-gooder.
you smite evil for the glory of it as much as the effect it has on evil itself.
have fun with your human rogue, props for playing a human.
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Post by hnefi on Jan 30, 2009 15:12:43 GMT -5
Sounds like a chaotic good character.
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Igaryu
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Post by Igaryu on Jan 30, 2009 15:25:53 GMT -5
Hehe allready thx for your answers peoples^^.
Allthough I hoped to get away with a neutral good;). But I guess even once in a while stealing from who cares does give that char the chaotic touch.
I choose Human because of the extra skill points gamewise and because I dont mind being a "normal" human;)
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Post by Erulaan D'Anhoor on Jan 30, 2009 15:50:14 GMT -5
wow interesting character idea.
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Post by adzling on Jan 30, 2009 15:52:37 GMT -5
breath of fresh air eh?
he should get browny points for being the only regular guy here ;-)
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Post by atlas on Jan 30, 2009 17:22:50 GMT -5
When you're talking about 'taking' something from someone's house, are you talking about some small thing of little consequence that would reflect on your character as more of a personality quirk? Or are you talking about stealing the old Wizards crystal ball which he needs to pay the bills?
If it's the latter then it sounds more like chaotic neutral. If it's the former he could be potentialy any of the good alignments though Lawful Good implies extreme honesty and honor. Furthermore I have never read anything that denotes a Chaotic Good character as someone only out for self gratification, that wouldnt even be classified as good really but instead selfishness which would fall into the neutral alignments catagory.
Take Dirty Harry for instance, by some measure you would classify him as either Lawful Good or Chaotic Good. He's definatly not in it for self gratification but out of a deep seated need and belief that the scum of society must to be punished. At the times where he actualy disobeys his superiors you could chalk that up to being Chaotic Good but at the same time those were instances where it was not really the just option to simply mindlessly follow orders and thus a lawful good character would not feel obligated to either.
As defined by the rules the lawful/chaotic axis is the more common one but the Good/Evil axis is more dominant or important. For instance with a lawful good character 'good' always takes precedence over 'order'.
Lastly the classic role of a Chaotic Good character is to be a kind of 'Robin Hood', waylaying the evil barons cronies and giving the spoils to the downtrodden and opressed peasants. In a typically 'good' society like Baldur's Gate and it's surrounding areas (at least it's supposed to be according to lore) a chaotic good character generally wouldnt have alot of quarels with the law because the law is for the most part, just.
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mrdeadman
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Post by mrdeadman on Jan 30, 2009 21:22:28 GMT -5
Stealing of any kind is a chaotic act. But, there's nothing wrong with that. Famous chaotic good characters would include people like Robin Hood ( like atlas said) but there are a whole bunch of other that could fall into the category. People like V who fought against the tyranny of corrupt government. Danny Ocean I would would stretch to CG. Wolverine could fall into either CG or CN depending on the era. Personally, I think Batman is Chaotic Good like all good vigilantes are... yes, he has his "order" but he is way more chaotic than lawful.
As always, a good motto to follow Good doesn't have to mean nice.
On a personal point as well. Alignment is at best a minor guiding force for your character. It is something they almost got right in 4th edition but they only got rid of a few. They should have just gotten rid of all of them. People usually place too much emphasis on alignment instead of working on personality.
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Post by maximvs on Jan 30, 2009 22:02:53 GMT -5
What roleplay? Just take true neutral, you ll be immune to prot versus good, evil, and immune to smite evil and good as well!!!
What? what? Why are you looking at me like that??
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Post by adzling on Jan 30, 2009 23:08:48 GMT -5
a neutral cleric of bane?
mmm extra helping of cheese please
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Post by Tiefling on Jan 31, 2009 1:47:33 GMT -5
Dreadmasters of Bane can be; Lawful Neutral, Lawful Evil, Neutral Evil.
Bane's Dogma:
I see no reason why Lawful Neutral fellow could follow Bane's Dogma. By all means, being one of the Neutral aligments doesn't make you a do-gooder as most seem to think.
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Post by atlas on Jan 31, 2009 1:49:59 GMT -5
Getting off topic here but I wouldnt classify Batman in 'Batman Begins' and 'The Dark Knight' as anywhere near chaotic. He's a carefully calculated (IQ 180+) and controlled fury being unleashed on the criminals of Gotham. Furthermore he cant really be defined as a vigilante because he fights for a cause greater than himself and is literally incorruptable as the Joker found out. A vigilante is someone who takes the law into their own hands for their own self gratification, everyone knows the city literally needed Batman to come along because it was so run down and corrupt.
Batman is not about revenge or beating down criminals to feel good, he's about a deep seated need for order and justice that the corrupt cops were unable or willing to provide. The people of the city literally gave him the right to bring justice to the injust when they sat on their hands and let corruption take over. That is a definate Lawful Good right there, it is the saintly or crusader alignment afterall.
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Post by luna on Jan 31, 2009 2:01:44 GMT -5
Dreadmasters of Bane can be; Lawful Neutral, Lawful Evil, Neutral Evil. I see no reason why Lawful Neutral fellow could follow Bane's Dogma. By all means, being one of the Neutral aligments doesn't make you a do-gooder as most seem to think. How did this get tilted to bane? He will be seing what he does as some kind of art. Overall I want him to strive to do good things to become renown and like allready mentioned turn the prejudices against rogues off. He says he wants his char to strive toward good... Lets see here.. Bane's domains are " Destruction, Evil, Hatred, Law, Tyranny". Hmm, no good there.  You can do something like Tymora and write your own story. Might fit in well with a Robin Hood type as Robin Hood probably had a bit of luck on his side. |
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Post by mrdeadman on Jan 31, 2009 2:03:40 GMT -5
Getting off topic here but I wouldnt classify Batman in 'Batman Begins' and 'The Dark Knight' as anywhere near chaotic. He's a carefully calculated (IQ 180+) and controlled fury being unleashed on the criminals of Gotham. Furthermore he cant really be defined as a vigilante because he fights for a cause greater than himself and is literally incorruptable as the Joker found out. A vigilante is someone who takes the law into their own hands for their own self gratification, everyone knows the city literally needed Batman to come along because it was so run down and corrupt. Batman is not about revenge or beating down criminals to feel good, he's about a deep seated need for order and justice that the corrupt cops were unable or willing to provide. The people of the city literally gave him the right to bring justice to the injust when they sat on their hands and let corruption take over. That is a definate Lawful Good right there, it is the saintly or crusader alignment afterall. You should be careful when you give word definitions to a guy with an English degree. LOL Vigilante A vigilante is a person who ignores due process of law and enacts their own form of justice in response to a perception of insufficient response by the authorities. Several groups and individuals have been labeled as vigilantes by various historians and media. Vigilantes have been central to several creative fictional works and are often depicted as being heroes and retaliatory against wrongdoers. Sounds like a perfect description of Batman to me. But don't take my word for it... This is where I got the definition, just scroll down to the vigilante's in fictional works for confirmation. www.reference.com/search?q=vigilante |
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Post by Tiefling on Jan 31, 2009 2:09:01 GMT -5
How did this get tilted to bane? Comment to Adzling's Cheese comment? Oh yeah, off topic. Neutral Good, would be the alignment for your Rogue. And depending on the various different portrays of 'Robin Hood' I'd argue most of them they are 'Neutral Good' instead of 'Chaotic Good'. |
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