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Post by highwayman on Jan 21, 2009 18:26:46 GMT -5
*The green robed gnome, wandering around the city streets, recalls the first time he met penelope, in the cloakwood forest, nearest the road, where she introduced herself to him, additionally, he also remembers Rubo, her brother, mentioning her name to him, as well as the Priestess herself* *On a side note, the player behind the character wishes to display his displeasure at your demand that he change his story, because you forgot your own characters history* //That's not true, first off you cant really recall to our history on surface as the UD wasn't there before so it's mainly the first time you talked to me. Secondly I havent changed her history as she is Rubo and Chloe Sister since always. And Rubo always call me as sister and not my real name. Is this the consensus of the dms that UD characters were never actually topside? If that's the case I'll need to modify some posts. Examples: -would have never heard of the weavemasters nor them dealing with the fiend. -would have never mentioned to uijo that I was up there before either. -My reactions during the event may have been a bit different if some of us were never up there. -would have never seen "unnamed" before. -would have never seen the balor spawn next to him either during fall of the thayans.
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Post by broham2 on Jan 21, 2009 18:31:08 GMT -5
Yeah I think saying that the players that are now in the UD were never on the surface kinda screws with some of my RP as well.
I would prefer that actions taken on the surface have actually taken place, than to go back and try to reform some of our RP and actions.
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Post by adzling on Jan 21, 2009 18:42:26 GMT -5
keep in mind that if limits aren't put in place very soon you will see the cheese-masters start building svirfs and living on the surface exclusively.
svirfs (due to their crazy powaz) attract more cheese-masters than any other race and most often they conveniently ignore that svirfneblin means DEEP GNOME. i.e. they love living underground and would never dream of living on the surface. They actually love being surrounded by rock.
On my last server svirfs (and to a lesser extent drow) were favorites of noob cheese-masters who used them as basis for power-builds, quickly took them to the surface on some contrived RP reason and then stayed on the surface ignoring their race, their heritage and their culture.
The main balance of ECL UD races is that they compete with other ECL UD races and are constrained by their culture.
If you are not willing to work within the confines of your race's culture you should consider playing another race imho.
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Post by DM Cephas on Jan 21, 2009 18:46:03 GMT -5
The simple but not so simple answer is, "It depends". Some people RP'ed being sent there (The WM for instance) and some returned there (like Raenir). i think some people just said that they were alway in the UD. I know it's an ugly answer but there wasn't need to give a server-wide answer to the situation so none was given. In other words, it was up to the player base to determine how to best RP being in the UD. I know we can give the blanket statement to say that everyone was up in the surface at some point but that in turn will ruin the RP who was now RPing that their PC was never up there. Clear as mud yet? My request is that the UD folks come to a friendly agreement on everyone's RP on how/when they were in the UD. My preference is to not have DM rulings on each individual case. There shouldn't be TOO many people in this situation and that number will lessen more once the server matures. ON EDIT: And in regards to the drow and deep gnomes, I don't know of any plans (and am pretty sure that there are no plans) to have them start in the surface. They are Underdark races for a reason.
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Post by highwayman on Jan 21, 2009 18:53:29 GMT -5
Ok. Thanks.
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Post by meldor on Jan 21, 2009 19:17:23 GMT -5
keep in mind that if limits aren't put in place very soon you will see the cheese-masters start building svirfs and living on the surface exclusively. svirfs (due to their crazy powaz) attract more cheese-masters than any other race and most often they conveniently ignore that svirfneblin means DEEP GNOME. i.e. they love living underground and would never dream of living on the surface. They actually love being surrounded by rock. On my last server svirfs (and to a lesser extent drow) were favorites of noob cheese-masters who used them as basis for power-builds, quickly took them to the surface on some contrived RP reason and then stayed on the surface ignoring their race, their heritage and their culture. The main balance of ECL UD races is that they compete with other ECL UD races and are constrained by their culture. If you are not willing to work within the confines of your race's culture you should consider playing another race imho. Yup as I always stated I have one Swirf on surface other will live in the UD and both wont be slaves.. You gotta realize that there is only one big city right now and possibilities aren't that large for deep gnomes and duergars. Like there are some drows living on surface there will be duergars and deep gnomes and I think the simple fact that the way the dev's are making the underdark it will be hardly impossible to go on surface before lvl fifteen so I doubt it such a problem. There arent many players playing in the UD right now, you cant force peoples to play alone. I know you like the lore but a game must be fun and since the server is rp-lite you cant force peoples to play like you wish all the time.
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Post by DM Sir Carnifex on Jan 21, 2009 19:28:03 GMT -5
Is it too late for me to say that I warned everyone to wait for the UD before making a UD PC? ;D
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Post by highwayman on Jan 21, 2009 19:36:12 GMT -5
Agreed there about the rp being focused towards drow, but for the most part duergars are psychotic because of a few thousand years of experimentation. Yeah I may be a squat version of drizzt but LN duergar are I'd say more common than good drow. There's a serious shortage of grey dwarves at the moment but I think that's mostly due to the amount of books written on dark elves.
I don't like being someone else's toadie but given the circumstances of being restricted to shamath atm I can't exactly go gut every rude drow I run into.
Personally I can't stand the race but that's just preference.
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Post by adzling on Jan 21, 2009 19:38:17 GMT -5
haha carn no one listens to you, you gotta get the FIST empowered like the right hand of gond or something. seize the power!!!
meldor the issue is not that you can't play on the surface, go build a surface race that's what they are for. the issue is that UD races should be exceedingly rare on the surface, and deep gnomes even rarer than drow on the surface. if not kept in check pretty soon the surface will be overrun with players UD race toons who have no idea what their race is about.
Deep gnomes have the word DEEP in their name for a reason. their not SHALLOW gnomes..haha although a lot of cheese masters seem to play such shallow gnomes.
now i understand your frustration at being a deep gnome stuck in a drow city. you gotta bow and scrape and what not to those nasty drow, however you are not and are far from a slave. you're just a minority in a drow run city and should RP yourself appropriately. stick out (as chloe was doing) and you're gonna get your head chopped off.
I have suggested to the devs that the put in the area of Sshamath called the darkwoods and use it as multi-racial ghetto. a place where the duergar and deep gnomes and odd human can go to get away from drow racism and set their own rules, kina like gangs of new york but with deep gnomes and duergar instead of micks and paddies.
the conclave pays little attention the darkwoods and doesnt police them so if you were to run into a drow in the darkwoods who bad-mouthed you you could take him down a peg or two.
absent some specific exception on the dm staff's part you should keep your deep gnome in the UD and just deal.
i am happy to RP with you as long you don't ignore the realities of living in a city run by drow.
and highwayman i thought it was really good RP you were doing from a duergar's perspective. they do dislike drow and their relationships tend towards ones of convenience. I like the attitude you displayed and think it was IC for a duergar. you shouldn't have to bow and scrape to drow IF you can establish a power relationship with one of the schools of magic or similar. with such a relationship in place most drow would just leave you alone. they try to order you around just tell them "talk to master blahblah im sure he would like to hear that YOU are stopping his emissary from conducting his business".
cheers and see you IG
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Post by highwayman on Jan 21, 2009 19:57:58 GMT -5
Depending on how haunted's next event goes, who knows I may seek out work down there. I've not logged on Glaran much these few days because I'm kind of in a state of limbo. (just trying to collect cash and some xp here or there) But it's difficult to strike up conversation as a character when you just bounced an axe of the leader of a dominant house and subsequently led a surfacer out of the tunnels. We'll see.
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Post by shorn on Jan 22, 2009 0:24:12 GMT -5
Im only going to say this. If you choose to ignore the rp of other players, and provoke them into fights so you can claim they attacked you first, when in fact their character concept forced them into it, thats fine. But you will be held responsible for it, and no matter how much derailing and accusing of lying you do, it will happen.
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Post by Zealote on Jan 22, 2009 8:10:14 GMT -5
Deep gnomes have the word DEEP in their name for a reason. Their not SHALLOW gnomes..haha although a lot of cheese masters seem to play such shallow gnomes. HAHAHAHAH, you nailed, right there.
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Post by raenir on Jan 22, 2009 9:35:56 GMT -5
Next time im one and some people are on lets see what happens :evil:
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Post by meldor on Jan 22, 2009 10:47:31 GMT -5
Deep gnomes have the word DEEP in their name for a reason. Their not SHALLOW gnomes..haha although a lot of cheese masters seem to play such shallow gnomes. HAHAHAHAH, you nailed, right there. I see soo much troubles around Deep Gnomes, That's weird peoples dont complain about Sun Elf or halfling rping much on surface why deep gnome take soo much attention.. You dont need gnomes to challenge you dark elf when surface come you will have plenty of peoples to fight. leave us alone we are shy peoples after all.
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Post by adzling on Jan 22, 2009 10:52:21 GMT -5
no one complains about surface races being on the surface because they are surface races, on the surface...
"leave us alone we are shy peoples after all."
*groan* could have fooled me.
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