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Post by broham2 on Oct 20, 2008 9:20:20 GMT -5
Ok, so I don't want to name names.. but I have a question about pickpocketing on the server and the allowed retaliation/outcome.
Last night during an event I was pickpocketed, I knew who did it (it was quite obvious as it was a continual bump until I had things missing, and the event log said I noticed someone doing it).. when the other character began to run off I attacked and slayed him/her. I RP'd it out at that point, (with verbal as well as **action**) and attempted to get my things back. I think I got everything but I really am not sure because I don't keep an inventory of my stuff well. I still had at least one slot missing.
Anyway, the point of the post is to know what the allowed outcome is at that point? My character in all honesty would have likely not allowed this person to get up and continue in the event with him.. if he didn't outright kill her he would have at least taken ALL of her belongings and sent her packing back to town (we were close).
I understand that it would really suck to have that happen to your character, but these pickpockets cant really just continue on like nothing happened afterwards and expect that to be cool with everyone (both IC and OOC), can they?
It turns out that we made a deal OOC after the event was over to pretend like it didnt happen and not let it happen again. I explained that if it did I would hunt them mercilessly.. until they swayed from the gallows.
So what is the ruling on Pickpocketing. When is it allowed, what can we do in return, and so on. If it is a free steal for the pickpockets with no chance of real death or the ability to strip them of everything, what is to stop everyone from doing it all the time?
I received a tell asking to RP before I attacked next time, but if I had attempted that the thief would have been long gone before i was able to type out any sort of RP. To me, attacking a thief IS RP, I dont think I'd talk to a pickpocket in real life before knockin them the F out!
Thanks!
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Post by tlantl on Oct 20, 2008 13:51:24 GMT -5
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Post by broham2 on Oct 20, 2008 14:56:12 GMT -5
Thanks. I've actually read that thread; that is one of the reasons for my post. DMs were present, a DM sent me a tell asking me to RP it out next time.
I hate to break character (especially during an event), so I tried to RP it out (after I stopped the thief from fleeing with arrows). My question is what is the limit of that RP. I know I can't perma-death the thief, but surely my character would not just say "oh hey, ha ha, you got me!" as the thief continually bumps and steals before running away. It's irritating OOC, and unrealistic IC.
If I am asked to RP it out, I need to know the limitations of that RP, you know? To catch a thief, and then continue on in the event with that person like they didn't do anything is a little silly I think?
Is there a way to disable the skill until we have some actual guidelines in place?
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Post by eldur(retired) on Oct 20, 2008 15:05:37 GMT -5
I think disabling it would be a good idea, if it's possible. If they want to pick someone's pocket, it should be with DM guidance and the DM could ask for a secret roll or something.
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Post by tlantl on Oct 20, 2008 17:03:53 GMT -5
broham2 You might want to have the DM involved talk to Iceshard and WWW. I believe jlfn2 has made a decision on this and it goes counter to what you were told. I could be wrong as I have been out of the loop for a week or so. *evil wink* I suggest summoning some thing to coup de gras the dirty thief the next time you beat him(?) down.
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Post by broham2 on Oct 20, 2008 17:13:40 GMT -5
Oh, I've been promised that it will not happen again with this offender, and I trust that it will not.
However, if it IS going to be allowed to happen with other players, I just want to know what the official line is.
But aside from that, are you saying that a summon can kill (actually send to Myrkul with xp loss) another PC? Could an animal companion do the same? **semi evil grin**
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Post by lorgin2003 on Oct 20, 2008 18:10:40 GMT -5
But aside from that, are you saying that a summon can kill (actually send to Myrkul with xp loss) another PC? Could an animal companion do the same? **semi evil grin** i believe so.
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Post by Zealote on Oct 20, 2008 20:48:00 GMT -5
We are working on a standart punishment for those captured. Like if you kill a thief on PvP, you cant actually kill him, which means you have caught him. You can RP taking him to the Flaming Fist or not. If you both agree, he will be punished by those rules. As soon as all DMs agree with the same punishment, we will post it so all can see and the thieves be warned.
Zeal
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Post by broham2 on Oct 20, 2008 22:14:54 GMT -5
Lol, yes, I did feel sorry for the character when the surrounding emptiness (Most of us were still in Hide mode) erupted into a volley of arrows.. It didn't last long! I agree, I thought the whole thing was handled fairly well, and the thief didn't do a bad job RPing it out.. but the way it was and the limitations in RPing consequences really pointed out a glaring hole for me.
Thanks for looking into it, I can't wait to catch the first PP after it's given the green light!
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Post by borton on Oct 21, 2008 12:28:24 GMT -5
Mark of a good thief is to know when to steal events is not the place to do it
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Post by ghostlyrose on Oct 21, 2008 12:37:25 GMT -5
just to make things clear I did not continualy bump you, I stole one pack of arrows and that was it, which by the way I gave back. Why make a big deal out of someting so small? I admit I did it a the wrong time and place ok, we all make mistakes get over it. Sorry to sound like such a bitch but all this moaning and crying all the time is slightly annoying me. I'd understand if I stole from you many times or something of value but come on, plus we discussed this ooc why open a thread about it?
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Post by caveman282 on Oct 21, 2008 12:40:04 GMT -5
its one thing to use the skill sparingly and use it proper. But to take all of a plyers belongings is just wrong. Me I play a rogue-ish char (hin of course) and I use it to say hey mister you droppped this and then I give the item back. I think if its a small item and you dont get caught then its ok once every now and then. If you take a large /expensive item then you should tell the player and let them have a chance to rp and get it back. spamming the SoH is bad RP and bad in general. Good way to lose friends.
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Post by broham2 on Oct 21, 2008 13:09:16 GMT -5
just to make things clear I did not continualy bump you, I stole one pack of arrows and that was it, which by the way I gave back. Why make a big deal out of someting so small? I admit I did it a the wrong time and place ok, we all make mistakes get over it. Sorry to sound like such a bitch but all this moaning and crying all the time is slightly annoying me. I'd understand if I stole from you many times or something of value but come on, plus we discussed this ooc why open a thread about it? Oh geez, here we go.. I didn't post your name because, like I said before, I thought you handled it fairly well and it was resolved OOC. Like I've also said, my issue wasn't with the fact that you personally PP me, the issue was that there is no reasonable recourse for a player in my position given the current set up. I can't kill you (i'd like to). I can't take all of your belongings and send you packing (i'd like to). If it were to be done in character the way my character would do things, you'd be walking away half naked with no weapons or supplies. And I'd do it again if I saw you stealing again. But I can't do that, instead it is on me to PVP 'kill' you to stop you from running away, and then ask you OOC to return my things. That isnt any fun. I opened this thread to start a discussion about PP and the RP outcomes in general, not with you specifically. I used your use (without using your name) as a specific example for discussion purposes. As the DMs have now said, standard rules are being worked on PP is not supposed to be happening right now. That is exactly what I wanted to know. Leave your feelings out of it for Christ's sake, its not about you.
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Post by Zealote on Oct 21, 2008 13:14:08 GMT -5
We are working on a standart punishment for those captured. Like if you kill a thief on PvP, you cant actually kill him, which means you have caught him. You can RP taking him to the Flaming Fist or not. If you both agree, he will be punished by those rules. As soon as all DMs agree with the same punishment, we will post it so all can see and the thieves be warned. Zeal Quoted for emphasis.
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Post by ghostlyrose on Oct 21, 2008 19:36:39 GMT -5
sorry its just the way you said it it seemed that you were only talking about my pp not in general. Peace?
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